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Way back in 1985ish, watching John Cusack in Better Off Dead, my highschool buddy and I instantly recognized Van Halen's* and Everybody Wants Some from the first drum beat in the famous Pig-in-the-Poke animation scene.  We were rocking along with it, but even then, sitting in the theater, I noticed that the iconic red and white Van Halen guitar wasn't quit right.  "Nice try guys," said my 17 year old self, "But Eddie's guitar is more of a Strat-bodied thing.  Kramer, you know?  How could you get that wrong?"

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The burger's guitar is NOT: 

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Duh.  I was a smug, smart-ass, OCD geek from southern New Hampshire.  Land of DEC PDP8s and VAXes.  Everyone's dad worked at Digital.

Until this evening.  Somewhere in the depths of Ebay I came across a listing for a replica of Eddie's Ibanez Destroyer, and it clicked:

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What did those animation guys know?  They knew their Van Halen, That's for sure.  The burger's guitar was actually a tribute to the Ibanez Destroyer "Shark"

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And to further rub it in my face, the scene was on the Frankenstein theme.  So, yeah.  Smart-ass geek from NH eats some crow 33 years late, outdone by Van Halen fans in Hollywood. 

In my defense, the cover of Women and Children First, which was all we had to go on back then, sans internet**,  was in black and white, so I never conceptualized red & white on the Shark.  Hell, we didn't even have a color TV until the early 80s.  

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But still.  Hubris.

 

*Who's doing better these days...

**Though a buddy, whose dad worked at Digital, did have a 300 baud phone-cradle modem.  I once played Adventure all night on that thing.  I knew how to boot a PDP8 and somehow knew enough to get to games and fire it up.

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Before it jumped the shark, literally ... Ed has said in interviews that the mod, specifically the loss of all that wood around the bridge. messed up the tone and resonance and he regretted doing it on the back end. 

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8 minutes ago, Jeff R said:

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Love the caption.

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48 minutes ago, Jeff R said:

Before it jumped the shark, literally ... Ed has said in interviews that the mod, specifically the loss of all that wood around the bridge. messed up the tone and resonance and he regretted doing it on the back end. 

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Is that Mary-Kate or Ashley behind him?

Asking for a friend.

 

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38 minutes ago, Jeff R said:

Before it jumped the shark, literally ... Ed has said in interviews that the mod, specifically the loss of all that wood around the bridge. messed up the tone and resonance and he regretted doing it on the back end. 

He confessed that he did that mod with a chainsaw, in the infamous 1980 cover story in Guitar Player, of which GP then felt obligated to warn readers "that this technique was not advised" (they did it again in the same story regarding Eddie's (probably exaggerated) proclamation that he liked to crank up his Variac to watch the tubes inside his amp melt.

On  the first VH  arena tour as an opening act, he would often use The Shark for "You Really Got Me" after his Eruption solo had the unfloyded frankenstrat being re-tuned off in the wings. There are many pictures of this guitar onstage from that time...he also used the Destroyer's toggle to get his staccato-breaks at the end of the lead of YRGM, of course.

That Destroyer was originally owned by Chris Holmes, who bitched for years that Eddie hadn't finished paying him for it when he chopped it up.

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His "regret" over chopping up an Ibanez always caught me square in the funny bone.

Most people who bought them at the time regretted not being able to afford the Gibson.

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32 minutes ago, kizanski said:

His "regret" over chopping up an Ibanez always caught me square in the funny bone.

Most people who bought them at the time regretted not being able to afford the Gibson.

And his admonition about ruining the Destroyer (which he used for much of the rhythm track recording of the first album before he wrecked it for tour theatrics) did nothing to stop EVH fanboi geeks who still seek out 70s Destroyers to mod in the same way, as tribute to that dysfunctional guitar.

Those things command Gibson prices NOW that people realize the quality they had, and asshats are still fucking them up.

btw, I recall reading that Van Halen's management discouraged Eddie from doing any more soundtrack work because they thought the crappy movies he allowed his music to be featured in diminished the band's rising brand potential. He did this movie (which had that great bit about the disgruntled little kid chasing John Cusak around for his paper route money) and a movie with a couple brat packer wannabe's called "The Wild Life", then he didn't do another soundtrack until "Twister" in the mid- 90s.

It is also worth VH-geekboi mentioning that the incendiary blurb that Marty McFly uses in "Back To The Future" to stun Crispin Glover out of his sleep is taken from "Better Off Dead".

Embarrassed that all this worthless info takes up space in my addled brain, but I can sleep at night knowing I never ruined a 70s Destroyer. A little.

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14 minutes ago, Ed Rechts said:

...asshats are still fucking them up.

Debatable.

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12 hours ago, Toadroller said:

 

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What bothered me was the backwards wammy bar...

Still like that movie, BTW. So many quotable lines. 

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When one of the kids begins driving, I start my instructions with "go that way.  Real fast.  If something gets in your way, turn!"

I watched it with some of the elder Toadrollers a few years ago, and throughout the movie they were saying, "oh, so that's where that comes from."  It is an absolute classic.  Love that Camaro.

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Truly, a great shame has fallen on the once formidable legend.

 

 

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Am I the only one who has no idea WTF movie you're all talking about?

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5 minutes ago, kizanski said:

Am I the only one who has no idea WTF movie you're all talking about?

Indulge. Recognize.

 

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3 hours ago, Ed Rechts said:

did nothing to stop EVH fanboi geeks who still seek out 70s Destroyers to mod in the same way, as tribute to that dysfunctional guitar.

You need to go peruse this Facebook fan page, https://www.facebook.com/groups/evhreplicas/, and watch these fuckers go all batshit OCD over colors, tape widths, tape placements .... they actually have like blueprints in the site's archives. A lot more detail attention than just finding the proper year quarter.

Then again, it was one of those guys who painted the body below and set the high water mark for attention to detail ... and then I got to be one of those guys making this assembly come together for a client ...

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This one differs from Ed's Frankie in that I set it up to actually play itself. I'd be lying if I denied wanting it for myself haha.

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7 minutes ago, Jeff R said:

You need to go peruse this Facebook fan page, https://www.facebook.com/groups/evhreplicas/, and watch these fuckers go all batshit OCD over colors, tape widths, tape placements .... they actually have like blueprints in the site's archives. A lot more detail attention than just finding the proper year quarter.

Then again, it was one of those guys who painted the body below and set the high water mark for attention to detail ... and then I got to be one of those guys making this assembly come together for a client ...

This one differs from Ed's Frankie in that I set it up to actually play itself. I'd be lying if I denied wanting it for myself haha.

I am familiar with that site, and the quarter thing has made me chuckle.

But c'mon, Jeff, you rendered a functional guitar there. That is an excellent display of your talents, and I applaud you for the work. You should showcase that one.

I'll ask ya this, would you dedicate your reputation and assign your name to rendering an EVH Shark, knowing full well that it was tonally fucked? Without a disclaimer, like those plastic surgeons that add a superfluous nipple or a forehead penis to some monied nutbag with a fetish? Methinks, (I hope) NOT.

Most of these guitars have to be conversation pieces, unless you're in a tribute band. If you're winging that Frankenstrat, and boor the fuck outta anyone about it's level to perfected detail, you better to be able to play every fucking nuanced riff from the first 5 albums AT LEAST if you are gonna call yourself anything more than a collector.

These fanboi indulges fall under the "shut up and play" category for me, if you'll excuse the surliness. 

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12 minutes ago, Ed Rechts said:

I'll ask ya this, would you dedicate your reputation and assign your name to rendering an EVH Shark, knowing full well that it was tonally fucked? 

I haven't played a ton of them, but the few vintage Ibanez Destroyers I've ever played, made of Japanese sen or ash or whatever it is, left a lot to be desired for my ears and ribcage ... and they hadn't had the ass chainsawed out of them.

On the other hand, I've played alder and ash b/o Charvel Stars that were absolute ass kickers and if I was going to do a EVH Shark tribute, that would be my platform of choice. If you just want a 100 percent accurate replica, a big hi-res poster is much cheaper LOL

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THIS is a "Shark" replica that meets my thumbs up - this one was actually made by Wayne Charvel ... Wayne Guitars custom order to be precise.

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5 minutes ago, Jeff R said:

I haven't played a ton of them, but the few vintage Ibanez Destroyers I've ever played, made of Japanese sen or ash or whatever it is, left a lot to be desired for my ears and ribcage ... and they hadn't had the ass chainsawed out of them.

On the other hand, I've played alder and ash b/o Charvel Stars that were absolute ass kickers and if I was going to do a EVH Shark tribute, that would be my platform of choice. If you just want a 100 percent accurate replica, a big hi-res poster is much cheaper LOL

Akira Takasaki removed all doubt about the tonal abilities of those star guitars. That guy's live sound is nut-crushing awesomeness. Lynch played one too, pre-Dokken.

I thought the vintage Destroyers I played were mahogany, but maybe I was being fibbed to (re: "muh lawsuit Ibanez!")

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7 minutes ago, Ed Rechts said:

I thought the vintage Destroyers I played were mahogany, but maybe I was being fibbed to (re: "muh lawsuit Ibanez!")

They weren't mahogany.  

Some of them, however, have been described as "dead mint."

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2 minutes ago, kizanski said:

They weren't mahogany.  

Some of them, however, have been described as "dead mint."

Then  fuck'em. let's chainsaw them all.

Glad I'm not into pointy guitars

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1 hour ago, Jeff R said:

You need to go peruse this Facebook fan page, https://www.facebook.com/groups/evhreplicas/, and watch these fuckers go all batshit OCD over colors, tape widths, tape placements .... they actually have like blueprints in the site's archives. A lot more detail attention than just finding the proper year quarter.

Then again, it was one of those guys who painted the body below and set the high water mark for attention to detail ... and then I got to be one of those guys making this assembly come together for a client ...

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This one differs from Ed's Frankie in that I set it up to actually play itself. I'd be lying if I denied wanting it for myself haha.

No thanks, I’d probably just post a video of that old SNL sketch where Shatner is playing himself at a Star Trek convention and asks Jon Lovitz if he’s ever kissed a woman. 

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4 hours ago, kizanski said:

They weren't mahogany.  

Some of them, however, have been described as "dead mint."

I thought it was "minty clean",  but I don't have the photoshop that I made handy to prove it......

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38 minutes ago, mathman said:

I thought it was "minty clean",  but I don't have the photoshop that I made handy to prove it......

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Here you go!

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Am I the only one bothered by the Strat style headstock on the Frankenstein guitar? I know Eddie had many variations of everything and I think the guitar started out with a Strat neck (or at least a mity-mite Strat replacement neck) but for me the iconic Frankenstein guitar has a matching banana headstock!

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I still use the line "I want my two dollars!".

 

BTW: Since the cover of Women And Children First is black and white I always assumed that the Destroyer was where the black with yellow stripes first came from. You learn something new every day.

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