geobluto Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 next stop... Indonesia?? https://reverb.com/news/fender-discontinues-mim-standard-series-replaces-with-the-player-series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningyen Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 My understanding is these are still MIM. These would have been right up my alley back in my Strat-playing days, although this is a little concerning: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBraz Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Wow. Do these big manufacturers ever learn? A bad product diminishes faith in the brand and you sometimes don’t get the player back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynic Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 For the player that hates strings getting in the way of his truss rod wrench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobB Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Dang. That’s pretty bad. They CAN’T be cutting these all by hand...can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Custom Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, DBraz said: Wow. Do these big manufacturers ever learn? A bad product diminishes faith in the brand and you sometimes don’t get the player back. Gibson's guitar sales are fine after decades of producing crap, it was their other ventures that doomed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Haynie Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The Mexican Fenders were good right from the start. An electronics upgrade was about the only thing anyone had to do. The Jimmy Vaughan model had the upgraded electronics and was a little cheaper than a USA made Fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCChris Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, cynic said: For the player that hates strings getting in the way of his truss rod wrench That's one way to fix off-center inlays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchee Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Before anybody plunks down cash for a NOS MIM Standard Series Fender, or a new 'Player' Series Fender...I noticed very recently that a couple of dealers have got in some new 'Limited Edition' MIJ 'Traditional Series' '60's Jazzmasters in Blue Floral or Pink Paisley also, no affiliation BTW. I'm still looking around online for the Fender press release about them but haven't found it yet. Those might be worth looking at if you want something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobB Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 So, where would these fabled lovelies be hiding, hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchee Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, RobB said: So, where would these fabled lovelies be hiding, hmm? Google is your friend...but I'm surprised nobody found them at DGS, since I frequently reference their list of goodies 'n gear. And no, I don't work for them or get a commission, I'm just an enabler! https://davesguitar.com/products/fender/limited-edition-traditional-series-60s-jazzmaster-pink-paisley/ https://davesguitar.com/products/fender/limited-edition-traditional-series-60s-jazzmaster-blue-floral/ Also here: https://wildwestguitars.com/electric/fender Apparently, they've been selling in Japan for awhile, unfortunately this video is just pictures of the guitars: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGJ Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 So far, no one has conclusively said that this new series is MIM. Why the drop in quality control over a name change? The only thing one can conclude is that they maybe moved production to the orient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynic Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Conclusively "We offer lower specification, lower price guitars that are still very much true to the Fender brand from $500 retail to $1,000 crafted in Ensenada [Mexico]. We have increased production in both factories over the last three years and are working at capacity to keep pace with global demand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, cynic said: "We offer lower specification, lower price guitars that are still very much true to the Fender brand from $500 retail to $1,000 crafted in Ensenada [Mexico]. We have increased production in both factories over the last three years and are working at capacity to keep pace with global demand." It takes an expert bullshit artist to craft a paragraph which includes the word "crafted" with "lower specification," adding "increased production" for good measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie G. Moseley Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I'd toured the Ensenada factory about 20 years ago. Obviously, there are some cultural differences in manufacturing,but the concentration on building quality products---instruments, amps, and even guitar cases---was impressive. It would be difficult for me to imagine (the perception of) Fender stepping back from that facility. And in addition to Gibson's being crippled by its acquisitions of other companies, that company is still saddled with the perception that it created beaucoup models that nobody wanted. Then there's the "lifestyle brand" hype, which in my opinion Gibson should have avoided in favor of simply producing quality instruments at reasonable prices (sounds like Hartley Peavey's mantra). YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakeboy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, kizanski said: It takes an expert bullshit artist to craft a paragraph which includes the word "crafted" with "lower specification," adding "increased production" for good measure. ...and add “true to the Fender brand”..... The phrase “lower specification” tells the tale here, I’d imagine. Lower spec will likely equal lower tolerance, cheaper parts, and less attention to detail. Which is a shame. Time will tell. I currently own one actual Fender ...a 2004 AmericanSeries Strat that has been modded quite a bit...I do love that guitar. I look forward to actually picking up and playing the new Players Series in a GC once I get over to KC next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Jakeboy said: ...and add “true to the Fender brand”..... That's actually where the truth is in the ad speak. "Lower specification" + "true to the Fender brand" = "We've accepted that we're shit." Anyone who buys a new Fender, regardless of the country of manufacture, is throwing half of their money out into the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biz Prof Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, kizanski said: It takes an expert bullshit artist to craft a paragraph which includes the word "crafted" with "lower specification," adding "increased production" for good measure. If they'd only found a way to weave in "leverage" and "core competency", the bullshit meter would have been pegged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbonesullivan Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Not sure why they feel the need to rebrand. I've already got all the strat and tele type guitars I need. Now I just need a jazzmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottcald Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Biz Prof said: If they'd only found a way to weave in "leverage" and "core competency", the bullshit meter would have been pegged. They should've looked at this: https://sba.thehartford.com/business-management/60-business-buzzwords-to-delete-from-your-vocabulary/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Chicken Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 There are a few bazllion MIM Fenders on CL right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, tbonesullivan said: Not sure why they feel the need to rebrand. I've already got all the strat and tele type guitars I need. They're re-branding because you already have all the strat and tele type guitars you need. Now, they'll try to get you to believe these are in some way different. 7 minutes ago, Funky Chicken said: There are a few bazllion MIM Fenders on CL right now. ^^ This is why I said this... 3 hours ago, kizanski said: Anyone who buys a new Fender, regardless of the country of manufacture, is throwing half of their money out into the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaVO Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Well... there's always G&L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, scottcald said: They should've looked at this: https://sba.thehartford.com/business-management/60-business-buzzwords-to-delete-from-your-vocabulary/ Paradigm Shift is the one that has always made me grit my teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchee Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, seeker said: Paradigm Shift is the one that has always made me grit my teeth. From where I come from, 'paradigm' is 20 cents. Or it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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