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So, Led Zeppelin...

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Guest Meshuggah

anyone who doesn't is a musician wanna be?

I said "many." If you took offense to it, you're obviously among the many.

No way meng. You my fren.

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Not bringing up Page's ripping off of songs from other artisits and passing them off as his own? Bollocks.

Um, that was kinda a tangent that no one had brought up. I sense hostility here! C'mon big guy, group hug! :P

I rip off everyone, SHAMELESSLY. Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

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The Kashmir on youtube from last night sounds fantastic.

Not fantastic for old guys, not fantastic despite jr., not fantastic despite sloppy or diminished range or whatever nonsense - it sounds fantastic, period.

I would pay whatever they asked for admission if they played in NYC. That's the first time I've ever thought that for any show.

If you prefer the Olympics of the fretboard, more power to you. Whatever gets you up in the morning.

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This show or reunion clearly has more to offer to fans than critics. I think it's more than obvious that LZ was never a tight band live. What this potential tour will prove that people were itching to see a nostalgia act. Plant has not been kind to his own material live and a larger tour will flush out his ability to keep it up for a month straight. Unless they take several days off beween shows, he's not gonna hold up. But who knows what will happen?

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RE: "writing nerds" and "musician nerds"---could be worse; could be writers (or even cartoonists) that wanna be musicians/rock stars (Dave Berry, Gary Larson spring to mind), or even worse (as I've groused about before), journalists who act like they're rock stars themselves (music journalists and otherwise). Don't ask me to name names; I'll get indigestion just thinkin' about them malevolent, sanctimonious putzes.

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Bollocks! Page is sloppy. He was the only musician on drugs during that era? Bollocks. Page is sloppy. Kudos to the myriad of fans who swoon at the mention of the group, but anyone who doesn't is a musician wanna be? Bollocks. Not bringing up Page's ripping off of songs from other artisits and passing them off as his own? Bollocks.

Bollocks I say. ZepI was cool because it was different. The rest? Meh.

This reminds me - where's JohnnyThunders? He hates Led Zep. Is he letting us have our fun?

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Always been a huge Zeppelin fan, even though some of their catalog has been played to death I can always pull out the obscure stuff and still be blown away. Presence and Houses of the holy are a couple of favs.

I never really gave much thought about Page being sloppy until I had been playing guitar for 15-20 years and even then it didn’t interfere with my enjoyment of their music. I’m thinking that like anything else it’s all relative, relative to your listening and playing vocabulary. If you listen to and play more technically oriented music on a regular basis that is your point of reference. If you listen to and play less technically oriented music that is your point of reference. Anything within your reference point is seen as normal while anything outside is well….. I like to live somewhere in between since I enjoy both types of music.

I’ve been listening to the clips while typing and have to say I’m pretty impressed by most of them. I saw a Plant solo show a while back on PBS (Mighty ReArranger??) and have to say he sounds way better here, sounds like he has a lot more left than the other show led me to believe. :P

Gotta love the polarizing technique debate around here, as if feel, technique and taste are all mutually exclusive. It’s just that out of all the guitar players out there, only so many can write great songs, only so many have great technique and even fewer have both.

I’m gonna sit back, grab some popcorn and wait for someone to bring up bedroom wankers next. :P

One thing you can always count on to keep this place interesting, those that might be dismissed as initiators of flame wars or general pot stirrers on lesser message boards may be asked to moderate here. :P

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Guest JackButler

too freaking funny that this is STILL running 6 pages deep and so many take all of this SO personal.

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To anyone who thinks Page is a sloppy player, let me first point out that he's playing rock 'n' roll, not chamber music. I'm more impressed with a player who takes chances and misses occasionally than someone who always nails the same ol' notes every time.

And second, if he's sloppy, I hope someday to be a sloppy player.

-Jonathan

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They tuned down for this too right?

That's OK, right?

Actually, that's one of the things I really LIKE about the playing of (Page). (He) screws up/is sloppier...

Well, this explains alot. :P

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Guest pirateflynn

I'm more impressed with a player who takes chances and misses occasionally than someone who always nails the same ol' notes every time.

-Jonathan

That's part of the appeal for me, too.

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Guest JackButler

I think tuning to anything is ok.. as long as your in tune to SOMETHING! LOL!

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RE: "writing nerds" and "musician nerds"---could be worse; could be writers (or even cartoonists) that wanna be musicians/rock stars (Dave Berry, Gary Larson spring to mind), or even worse (as I've groused about before), journalists who act like they're rock stars themselves (music journalists and otherwise). Don't ask me to name names; I'll get indigestion just thinkin' about them malevolent, sanctimonious putzes.

I'm guessing you don't care for Lester Bangs or the movie "Almost Famous"?

I think tuning to anything is ok.. as long as your in tune to SOMETHING! LOL!

I'm with you there! :P

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Led Zeppelin Tribute to Ahmet Ertegun concert.

You may ask ... Who the f*ck was Ahmet Ertegun. Yes, he was the founder

of Atlantic Records. BUT, he was also depicted in the movie Ray, (the Ray Charles flick

with Jamie Fox).

Ahmet Ertegun was portrayed in the movie by Revenge Of The Nerds alumni, Curtis Armstrong.

Curtis played Booger in the Nerds movie.

So there you have it. Ahmet was a Booger.

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I’m gonna sit back, grab some popcorn and wait for someone to bring up bedroom wankers next.

Can't stand 'em. Especially those that put their crap on youtube!

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I’m gonna sit back, grab some popcorn and wait for someone to bring up bedroom wankers next.

Can't stand 'em. Especially those that put their crap on youtube!

GAWD .... I hate it when they do that.

Matt :P

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RE: Lester Bangs---HUGE influence on my music writing, as was almost everybody else who wrote for CREEM in the late '70s and early '80s, because of the irreverence more than anything else. Jim DeRogatis wrote a good Bangs bio called LET IT BLURT, which I still have in my office library. Lester's anthology, CARBURETOR DUNG, was okay but rambled at times (consider the source), and included the recounting of his famous duel with Lou Reed.

Lester wanted to be a rock star, but was upfront, whimsical and sarcastic about his quest.

The schmucks I can't stand are, as noted on some other thread a while back, know-it-alls whose condescending attitudes are the size of the Louisiana Purchase, simply because they went to journalism school. The line of thinking applies to national news journalists (electronic and print) more than anyone else, IMO.

I think writers can have influences just like musicians can. My non-musical writing influences include former CHICAGO TRIBUNE columnist Bob Greene, as well as Pete Hamill, Harry Stein, and to a lesser extent, Lewis Grizzard.

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The guitar technique posts had me thinking. Buddy Guy, Howlin' Wolf and John Lee Hooker aren't known for technique, but damn they're good. JP is also a blues player, so does it matter that he can be sloppy? He's pretty inventive within the blues - rock framework. Satchmo and Yngview - I love 'em, too. Roy Clark and Les Paul - Dayum those boys can play. I love hearing how they make this hunk of wood with strings attached just sing.

The writers post got me to thinking, too. Not a fan of what passes for rock journalism. Willie G. really summed it up for me. My non-musical writing influences: Mike Royko (another Chicago Tribune alum); William Carlos Williams; Mark Twain (I'm reading his biography of Joan of Arc - that man had a command of the English language and understanding of human nature that was second to none)!

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One of the greatest, if not greatest lines on guitar technique I've heard:

"Whop it like this, boy."

"Dust My Broom"

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I've been thinking about everything in this thread, and for me, it's not about Jimmy Page really....it's about what I hear in LZ as a whole: a massive, majestic sound that gives me goose bumps. Don't know why, but it does.

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And now for a new direction in this thread...

Possible NYC Led Zeppelin Shows

The article is really speculation from leftover excitement from the London show. The last Page & Plant tour was mostly a Led Zeppelin set, so they can handle it. If John Paul Jones can break away from the bluegrass circuit and Jason Bonham can open his schedule it may happen.

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... and Jason Bonham can open his schedule it may happen.

This one's the real obstacle. Can't just turn your back on working with Damnocracy to support some Sha Na Na type revival band. Those kind of talents only come together once in a generation.

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... and Jason Bonham can open his schedule it may happen.

This one's the real obstacle. Can't just turn your back on working with Damnocracy to support some Sha Na Na type revival band. Those kind of talents only come together once in a generation.

I think Savage Animal went the way of Supernova; imploded under the heat of their own massive talent.

Now Foreigner, a rock juggernaut still percolating with freshness and vitality ... THAT'S gonna be a problem.

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Now Foreigner, a rock juggernaut still percolating with freshness and vitality ... THAT'S gonna be a problem.

My God, Foreigner. I totally forgot about Foreigner. I can't imagine what it must feel like to play "I Want To Know What Love Is" in a 600 seat Indian casino auditorium outside of Boise.

Think of all the kids that stayed up late in their bedrooms trying to figure the riffs on Agent Provocateur. That record could come out ten years from now and people would be going nuts over it.

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