Ok, we're looking for a new dishwasher... stainless steel.
First I went into Sears (old habits). Generally, Sears goes to the big manufacturers and orders a ton of a couple models and has a couple things changed. Usually minor things that customers have complained about, like poor rack wheels etc... and has them made with the Kenmore name on them. I can get parts easily and cheaply for the few things I'd bother myself to do. 9 out of 10 times with a dish washer, it's the control board and that's about a hundred or so bucks and 15 minutes to swap (most of that is undoing and keeping track of little screws).
I looked at KitchenAid first. The one I liked was $1700, on sale for $1299... all the features. Expected life... 10 years. Ouch.
With the Kenmore name on it, it's on sale for $999 his week. (these prices are for around here). Expected life... 10 years. Again ouch.
I looked a Bosch next. A big prestige name at this price point. The one with the features we wanted is $1900... Well made and expect a 30% longer life... but lots of complaints about the smell. Bosch units have a capture filter that traps food items that don't get mushy enough to pass. You have to clean out the filter often (effortless, you just have to do it). The KitchenAid and Kenmore only stop bigger items like olive pits etc. The Bosh also holds water in the pump and if you don't use it almost daily the water can go funky. Expected life... 13 years.
I looked at Mielean even more upscale unit... the wife likes that. Mielecontrols the price... they set the sales. You can't even buy parts. So you know there's a huge markup. But it is a better machine, but it has the same problem the Bosch does for smell, use it or smell it. They also control the installation. You can install it... but the store can't. Mieledelivers it from their warehouse to your house, and if it's being installed, they install it. It cost almost twice as much to install a Miele then a Kenmore/Bosch or KitchenAid. That kills me, the water fittings etc are already there. It's not much harder to hook up a dishwasher then a garden hose, OK two garden hoses. Once it's delivered, they should install it for free to say thanks for paying their huge markup... well that's the way I see it.
They all claim to be quiet, but use different ratings, the ones that use dB even do that differently, so you can't really compare across brands, and it's not like they'll run them in the store for you.
At this price point they'll all do a great job washing dishes, I just want the wife happy without being ripped off.
The way I see it I can spend a grand on a Kenmoreor two grand for the Bosch or Miele (plus install).
Or lets put it this way, for the same money I can get two Kenmore @ 20 years of expected life, for the price of one Bosch or Miele @ 13 years...
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Ok, we're looking for a new dishwasher... stainless steel.
First I went into Sears (old habits). Generally, Sears goes to the big manufacturers and orders a ton of a couple models and has a couple things changed. Usually minor things that customers have complained about, like poor rack wheels etc... and has them made with the Kenmore name on them. I can get parts easily and cheaply for the few things I'd bother myself to do. 9 out of 10 times with a dish washer, it's the control board and that's about a hundred or so bucks and 15 minutes to swap (most of that is undoing and keeping track of little screws).
I looked at KitchenAid first. The one I liked was $1700, on sale for $1299... all the features. Expected life... 10 years. Ouch.
With the Kenmore name on it, it's on sale for $999 his week. (these prices are for around here). Expected life... 10 years. Again ouch.
I looked a Bosch next. A big prestige name at this price point. The one with the features we wanted is $1900... Well made and expect a 30% longer life... but lots of complaints about the smell. Bosch units have a capture filter that traps food items that don't get mushy enough to pass. You have to clean out the filter often (effortless, you just have to do it). The KitchenAid and Kenmore only stop bigger items like olive pits etc. The Bosh also holds water in the pump and if you don't use it almost daily the water can go funky. Expected life... 13 years.
I looked at Miele an even more upscale unit... the wife likes that. Miele controls the price... they set the sales. You can't even buy parts. So you know there's a huge markup. But it is a better machine, but it has the same problem the Bosch does for smell, use it or smell it. They also control the installation. You can install it... but the store can't. Miele delivers it from their warehouse to your house, and if it's being installed, they install it. It cost almost twice as much to install a Miele then a Kenmore/Bosch or KitchenAid. That kills me, the water fittings etc are already there. It's not much harder to hook up a dishwasher then a garden hose, OK two garden hoses. Once it's delivered, they should install it for free to say thanks for paying their huge markup... well that's the way I see it.
They all claim to be quiet, but use different ratings, the ones that use dB even do that differently, so you can't really compare across brands, and it's not like they'll run them in the store for you.
At this price point they'll all do a great job washing dishes, I just want the wife happy without being ripped off.
The way I see it I can spend a grand on a Kenmore or two grand for the Bosch or Miele (plus install).
Or lets put it this way, for the same money I can get two Kenmore @ 20 years of expected life, for the price of one Bosch or Miele @ 13 years...
So what's your take? Anyone big into appliances?
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