velorush Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 7/31/2017 at 10:14 AM, gtrdaddy said: It's got promise. Every time I look at the singer mover around the stage, I can't help but think of Dennis Leary's character in Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll. FWIW: I thought he sounded and looked more like Dr. Frank N. Furter (but I'm sure I mean that in a good way... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugartune Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 On 2017-07-29 at 7:16 PM, LucSulla said: That being said, I'm not a'gin it. Be interesting to see where they go from here; hopefully not the direction Silverchair went. I prefer where Silverchair went, Young Modern was a challenge to listen to the first couple of times, but I like quite a bit. Neon Ballroom and Diorama are my favourite of them all. Freak Show was a little too trying hard to like the Nu Metal bands, maybe more like Helmet with melody. Frogstomp is a pretty good album. Lyrics are a bit vapid, but I guess they were 14 or 15... This band, Greta Van Susteren, not my thing. I've yet to traverse down the Led Zeppelin road, I don't think it's my thing either. I won't turn it off, but I'll never seek it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polara Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I think that digital media are responsible for the weird time warp (worked in a Rocky Horror reference) we're in culturally. Until the 90s, what you heard was what was on broadcast media. Benny Goodman out, Pat Boone in. Boone out, Elvis in. Elvis, Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Sabbath... you heard the new stuff and the old was relegated to the dustbin of history. Or oldies stations. Those new records weren't gonna sell if the DJs didn't get their cash and blow and they controlled the ears of America. To hear old music or underground music took some digging, and it was only a geek subculture that knew about anything other than the stuff that was on radio. Today, you can Spotify up nothing but jump jazz or coffehouse folk or black metal or baroque. Or a mix. You can stream an indie station from Berkley or rap mixtapes from Queens. Kids and adults alike are free to appreciate or hate every genre of music from every era. I don't know if classic rock is "better" than big band, just because kids still listen to it. When I was a kid, I didn't have any choice in what I could hear. It was fuckin' Foghat, The Rockets, Nuge, and Nazareth, played by Arthur J Penthallow on WRIF DE-troit, the RIFF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucSulla Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 17 hours ago, Sugartune said: I prefer where Silverchair went, Young Modern was a challenge to listen to the first couple of times, but I like quite a bit. Neon Ballroom and Diorama are my favourite of them all. Freak Show was a little too trying hard to like the Nu Metal bands, maybe more like Helmet with melody. Frogstomp is a pretty good album. Lyrics are a bit vapid, but I guess they were 14 or 15... This band, Greta Van Susteren, not my thing. I've yet to traverse down the Led Zeppelin road, I don't think it's my thing either. I won't turn it off, but I'll never seek it. I'm going disagree that Helmet was nu metal and get on a soapbox. Grab some popcorn. Meantime came out in 1992 and had more effect on groove metal than anything else. I submit to you the following examples (and I know the Pantera track came out later, but the Helmet track was written first. Dime even said he ripped it off but that Page Hamilton was fine with it). You have to let them both play until about 30 seconds. While Frogstomp has not aged well, I did like it better than Freak Show. That being said, I've never heard anyone say there was anything nu metal about either, and I've certainly never thought that, unless we say anything released in the late 90s with loud guitars was nu metal, which I don't agree with. Sure, bands like Helmet influenced nu metal, and Faith No More's Angel Dust album was probably the most important release to the genre prior to it actually being a genre. But saying either were nu metal would be akin to calling Jimi Hendrix heavy metal because he had a lot to do with creating a sound metal would incorporate. I agree with the consensus that the first nu metal album was Korn's self-titled, released in October 1994. At the time, it was largely a curiosity that barely cracked the Top 100 albums. The genre began growing in popularity in 1996 with Life Is Peachy and really took off with Follow the Leader, which hit #1 and had sold 5 million albums domestically by 2002. It's also within a year of that release that Limp Bizkit, Staind, Papa Roach, System of a Down (for whom there are decent arguments that they aren't really in the category either), Slipknot, and so on are on the radio. Helmet predates all of that by a good bit in pop music terms and were and are a post-hardcore/alternative metal band. They fit much better with other early 90s bands treading those waters like Prong and the Rollins Band. Likewise, Silverchair has a completely different set of influences than anything having to do with what Korn was listening to or trying to be. I remember them well because Daniel Johns and I were born in the same year, and I started my first band in high school after "Tomorrow" blew up on radio inspired by their success. I figured if they could do it at their age AND being from Australia that I could to (obviously, I couldn't). But they were covering stuff like Deep Purple, Sabbath, and Zeppelin prior to getting signed, and their early stuff sounds like a bunch of kids trying to sound like DP, Sabs, and Zep getting produced by someone trying to make them sound like Nirvana. But there is no punk and really only pre-Priest heavy metal in that band's DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugartune Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, LucSulla said: I'm going disagree that Helmet was nu metal and get on a soapbox. Grab some popcorn. Meantime came out in 1992 and had more effect on groove metal than anything else. I submit to you the following examples (and I know the Pantera track came out later, but the Helmet track was written first. Dime even said he ripped it off but that Page Hamilton was fine with it). You have to let them both play until about 30 seconds. While Frogstomp has not aged well, I did like it better than Freak Show. That being said, I've never heard anyone say there was anything nu metal about either, and I've certainly never thought that, unless we say anything released in the late 90s with loud guitars was nu metal, which I don't agree with. Sure, bands like Helmet influenced nu metal, and Faith No More's Angel Dust album was probably the most important release to the genre prior to it actually being a genre. But saying either were nu metal would be akin to calling Jimi Hendrix heavy metal because he had a lot to do with creating a sound metal would incorporate. I agree with the consensus that the first nu metal album was Korn's self-titled, released in October 1994. At the time, it was largely a curiosity that barely cracked the Top 100 albums. The genre began growing in popularity in 1996 with Life Is Peachy and really took off with Follow the Leader, which hit #1 and had sold 5 million albums domestically by 2002. It's also within a year of that release that Limp Bizkit, Staind, Papa Roach, System of a Down (for whom there are decent arguments that they aren't really in the category either), Slipknot, and so on are on the radio. Helmet predates all of that by a good bit in pop music terms and were and are a post-hardcore/alternative metal band. They fit much better with other early 90s bands treading those waters like Prong and the Rollins Band. Likewise, Silverchair has a completely different set of influences than anything having to do with what Korn was listening to or trying to be. I remember them well because Daniel Johns and I were born in the same year, and I started my first band in high school after "Tomorrow" blew up on radio inspired by their success. I figured if they could do it at their age AND being from Australia that I could to (obviously, I couldn't). But they were covering stuff like Deep Purple, Sabbath, and Zeppelin prior to getting signed, and their early stuff sounds like a bunch of kids trying to sound like DP, Sabs, and Zep getting produced by someone trying to make them sound like Nirvana. But there is no punk and really only pre-Priest heavy metal in that band's DNA. Ah man, I thought that might happen when I was writing that.... I didn't mean to refer Helmet as Nu Metal. I totally agree with everything. I don't think Freak Show was Nu Metal, but it was an attempt to be. im about the same age too. Silverchair was a huge inspiration to just do it, for sure. I remember reading the magazine articles about them, calling the Nirvana in Pajamas. They were 14-15. It did have an effect. Everyone played in a band in Highschool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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