HamStd Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 45 minutes ago, outtahear said: Can that be done?? Anything can be done when it comes to CMatthes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tomteriffic Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 20 hours ago, outtahear said: Can that be done?? Many things are possible when you're a Matthes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamStd Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, tomteriffic said: Many things are possible when you're a Matthes. That's what she said!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirrorimij Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 3:57 PM, Never2Late said: The prototype I was sold had a stamped serial number. It was a 'finish' prototype of the Mirage II. I just had it build-out, I should post it.... More info please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never2Late Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 4 hours ago, mirrorimij said: More info please? An Ovation Sales Rep had somehow gotten his hands on a Hamer factory "finish-prototype", and he was selling it on Reverb around the time the CT factory was closed - it had a stamped S/N, a working truss-rod, factory frets, and that's it. The guitar had a MOUNTAIN of clearcoat on it, some clear on the fretboard, milled cavities, no logo, and zero hardware or electrical components. The condition of the wood was perfect under that protective 'jacket', but it was hard to tell what was underneath. I could tell it was a Mirage II from the cavity cut-outs for humbuckers and a floating trem....I bought it, and put it in the corner for awhile until I got the 'get-up' to have it built-out recently. A luthier here in MA had Ryan Welcome on his staff, and Jol's old buffing machine in his shop, so I told him what I had and started buying parts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamStd Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Bob, don't you have a couple of Hamers (T51 and a special?) from Frank U that aren't stamped with a serial number? These were used for the catalog shoot? I have the Mirage I from the catalog that he sold me and it doesn't have a stamped serial number. Technically it "didn't leave the factory" but they are legit USA made Hamers. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirrorimij Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I have the second set of prototypes of the Daytona and T51 from Bill Kaman. Frank U had the first. They both have serial numbers but the numbers don’t follow the typical numbering system. The serial numbers are the actual “born on “ dates of the neck. Totally legitimate Hamers that were listed in the serial number book. 2 hours ago, HamStd said: Bob, don't you have a couple of Hamers (T51 and a special?) from Frank U that aren't stamped with a serial number? These were used for the catalog shoot? I have the Mirage I from the catalog that he sold me and it doesn't have a stamped serial number. Technically it "didn't leave the factory" but they are legit USA made Hamers. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamStd Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Thanks Bob, it is interesting. I have the catalog Mirage I and it doesn't have a stamped serial number. Frank U told me there wasn't time, they needed one like "now" for the shoot. Maybe he was just giving me a Rick Nielsen type explanation. I'll snap a pic tonight. Otherwise, I have the only import Mirage I out there-don't know where I should be proud or angry !!!😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Haynie Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, HamStd said: Frank U told me there wasn't time, they needed one like "now" for the shoot. So, was the back of the guitar sprayed and buffed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirrorimij Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Peter, If Frank said it I can’t see why it wouldn’t be true. My T51 prototype lacks any side dots on the neck because the tooling wasn’t complete. It happens. Never say never with Hamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamStd Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, mirrorimij said: Peter, If Frank said it I can’t see why it wouldn’t be true. My T51 prototype lacks any side dots on the neck because the tooling wasn’t complete. It happens. Never say never with Hamer. Can't get to my mirage I, but I'll get pics to share. I do have this one which is sort of interesting-ever seen a 19 fret 4 digit standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBraz Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, HamStd said: -ever seen a 19 fret 4 digit standard? No! And please don’t ever show me one again! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 hours ago, HamStd said: Can't get to my mirage I, but I'll get pics to share. I do have this one which is sort of interesting-ever seen a 19 fret 4 digit standard? Talk about burying the lead... "Can't get to my mirage I..." Translation: "There are too many cases that I don't have access to my inventory program which tells me which wing of the mansion the guitar is stored." Picture the last scene of "Raiders of the Lost Ark". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bubs_42 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, kizanski said: Talk about burying the lead... "Can't get to my mirage I..." Translation: "There are too many cases that I don't have access to my inventory program which tells me which wing of the mansion the guitar is stored." Picture the last scene of "Raiders of the Lost Ark". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 1:21 AM, HamStd said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1980 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 No guitar was ever serial stamped in the control cavity at the Hamer plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 4 hours ago, S1980 said: No guitar was ever serial stamped in the control cavity at the Hamer plant. So, what's this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Haynie Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 That might have gotten a guy fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 18 hours ago, S1980 said: No guitar was ever serial stamped in the control cavity at the Hamer plant. so what about the body, its a chapp candy green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outtahear Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 Guess anything's possible, but seems odd that: -Color's spot on, lacquer's at least 20 yrs. old -Rout's period correct, as are the pots (marked HAMER), cap and switch, logo -Hardware's correct -Case's original and period correct (Got's some serious mojo to boot). -rather nice Honduran Mahogany as well So, either it's a genuine Hamer w/a serial number anomaly, or someone (with some serious skills) spent some time and $$$$ forging something he could have purchased for about $400/mint 20 years ago. Either way, for $600 it's a great guitar (plays as nice as Gibson's custom shop or Zemaitis' custom shop). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1980 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 That is a number stamped after it left the factory. Probably by the person that replaced the headstock. Most likely at the approval of the owner. The stamped body, that's just so funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outtahear Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Here we go again.."EARLY Steve Stevens USA Hamer! No serial number," https://www.ebay.com/itm/173663757496 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Haynie Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 The serial number on that Steve Stevens was removed along with the trademark decal when the finish was stripped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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