tommy p Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 1:05 AM, Dasein said: The fact that Ray Daniels was their manager hurt them too.... he just didn't have the leadership to serve them and they faltered. I didn't realize he was their manager (actually it's Danniels - 2 n's). That explains how Cherone got the VH gig. I don't know what to make of Ray's managerial skills. He managed Rush and VH both of whom were ridiculously successful, and he managed King's X and Extreme both of which are coulda/shoulda/wouldas. Sadly, I guess you can't win 'em all. And if anybody wants to hear some GREAT music by a member of Aerosmith outside of that band, I can't recommend Whitford/St. Holmes's Reunion album highly enough. It's one of my favorites in recent years. Half the songs on it would make better Aerosmith songs than anything Aerosmith has written in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasein Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 hours ago, tommy p said: I didn't realize he was their manager (actually it's Danniels - 2 n's). That explains how Cherone got the VH gig. I don't know what to make of Ray's managerial skills. He managed Rush and VH both of whom were ridiculously successful, and he managed King's X and Extreme both of which are coulda/shoulda/wouldas. Sadly, I guess you can't win 'em all. And if anybody wants to hear some GREAT music by a member of Aerosmith outside of that band, I can't recommend Whitford/St. Holmes's Reunion album highly enough. It's one of my favorites in recent years. Half the songs on would make better Aerosmith songs than anything Aerosmith has written in 30 years. Danniels single highhandedly killed Van Halen and I think Rush was successful because their talent was so exceptional and they were such cool headed, sound minded individuals that whatever Danniels didn't bring to the table didn't matter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakeboy Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Nope .Never heard those Extreme songs. I had always heard of them but never got hip. Until now. I need to check them out in some detail. Nuno is fast! +1 on the Whitford St Holmes reboot....if you buy the download, you also get the 1980 debut which was just stellar. That should have been huge too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy p Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 49 minutes ago, Jakeboy said: +1 on the Whitford St Holmes reboot....if you buy the download, you also get the 1980 debut which was just stellar. That should have been huge too. I got it on CD and they included the first album as a bonus CD. I don't know if they still do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixlicks Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 It is ok . I have heard a lot worse . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamerhead Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 9:55 AM, Dasein said: Danniels single highhandedly killed Van Halen and I think Rush was successful because their talent was so exceptional..... Nail on the head. From what I gather, he was an exceptional twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disturber Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 7:05 AM, Dasein said: gtrdaddy -- outside of Funk, Words, & Hearted I'd say this band has not aged well. There were always issues with them -- they were a "not quite" kind of band. Slick -- super slick -- but lacking a whole lot of substance. I think that they were a confused mishmash of stylings and lacking any clear vision or cohesion as a band that their fan base could get behind. The fact that Ray Daniels was their manager hurt them too.... he just didn't have the leadership to serve them and they faltered. This band should have gone inter-stellar after more than words but grunge killed them off too as did the lack of identity and cohesion I spoke about earlier. The bands image was all over the place. The album cover on Pornografitti was mean and punkish. The album title was completely mean. Get the funk out was a cool party song. The band itself though looked like a cheesy hair metal band without hair spray. And then came More than words that was totally lame and nothing of what the album cover, and album title, promised. Totally schizofrenic. I lost interest when I heard that song released as asingle, and saw the video. Who wanted to be associated with that lame crap as a young fan. Not me. I had expected an album with 10 songs as mean as Get the funk out. What a rip off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasein Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 And that confusion continued after it all fell apart --- Nuno looked to be more interested in posing shirtless and showing off his lovely long hair, than actually getting a band together and making music - and Gary went from poodle haired, odd looking, odd-man-out in his band guy , to short haired, polyester suit, big lapel wearing, Jazz Hands waving, WTF is this guy doing here front man for Van Halen. What it speaks to is a serious lack of identity issues for both these guys. Even Eddie, who was just not remotely in a good place back then, had enough sense to look at Gary in the big lapels doing Jazzercise on-stage to go "Something ain't right here".... There are a couple of hidden ironies here -- but the obvious lack of authentic identity is the one that sticks out. If you want any kind of longevity as an artist or performer, the days are long gone when you can not be some sort of authentic self at least in so much as your personae has to be something that fits with you and that you can wear. I gotta blame Ray D though (to an extent) because you are right -- they presented the promise of an edgy take no prisoners band. They called themselves "Extreme" for crying out loud.... and then dropped Whole Hearted and More than Words on us --- meanwhile You've got Eddie Vedder, climbing stage rigging and swinging from the rafters while singing about school shootings and screaming for release from the haunting memory of a father he never knew..... with a band name that was a throw away inside joke about Jizz..... which band was actually more extreme? Who put their soul on the line? Not the guys taking art direction from Ray Danniels "Hey - Nuno - wear these DM's --- Gary - put on this pirate bandana -- Hey drummer dude - unbutton that shirt and show some hair on your chest like kip winger....you guys are so extreme.... you're killing it - hey wait - let my wife fix your hair.!" Can you imagine booking them as an act - playing a death metal festival maybe -- on spec -- opening for Slayer you'd think? Ouch... Extreme...............ly disappointing. Also known as lame. Danniels was amateur hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biz Prof Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Grunge didn't merely hasten the demise of hair metal and its denizens of forgettable schlock, it crippled the upward trajectories of truly talented hard rock acts with incredible musicianship and unique sounds, including Badlands and Cry of Love. A damn shame, really. Even with the radio ballads, Extreme was a pretty cool act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasein Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I'll go back and relisten to badlands ( own and bought that original badlands CD) before I comment but by memory - it was ok - but it was still entirely derivative. So much of that stuff just sounded like a retread of Dead or Alive by Bon Jovi but with more guitar pyro. (at least that's my recollection, but I'll go refresh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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