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I wish it was 22 frets instead of 24.  I wonder how thick that maple top is...like, is it an actual piece of maple like a Hamer Special FM, or thin veneer like early Hamer Specials?  It'd make a difference in tone one way or the other.

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But they did move the output jack and the strap button to more sensible positions...

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SG's should only exist in cherry, antique white or Pelham blue.  The cherry can fade to natural...

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11 hours ago, crunchee said:

I wish it was 22 frets instead of 24.  I wonder how thick that maple top is...like, is it an actual piece of maple like a Hamer Special FM, or thin veneer like early Hamer Specials?  It'd make a difference in tone one way or the other.

You don't have to use the extra frets. 😁

9 hours ago, The Shark said:

SG's should only exist in cherry, antique white or Pelham blue.  The cherry can fade to natural...

I would say cherry and black would be enough.

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10 hours ago, The Shark said:

SG's should only exist in cherry, antique white or Pelham blue.  The cherry can fade to natural...

Silverburst, black, and "natural" are OK in my book.

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1 hour ago, tommy p said:

You don't have to use the extra frets. 😁

 

Not my point.  Harmonics get lost on a guitar with a 24 fret neck that don't/won't on a 22 fret neck guitar, because the neck pickup is usually where the 24th fret would otherwise be on a 22 fret guitar, which is where a natural harmonic is...which is good, as the neck pickup will usually sound much better, and the guitar will be that much more useful, IMO.  The neck pickup doesn't/won't sound the same between the two locations.

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The market place has told Gibson time and time again, "we don't want change, we want improved quality", are they deaf or stupid?

The money spent on research and development could be going into QC.  

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An in depth review...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnJPWey2Vig

Looks like the maple cap is substantial.  The body seems a little thicker.  22 v 24 - the neck pup sounds pretty good to me. Any time you move the pick up closer or farther from the bridge you're going to get a different tone.  The question is - do you like it?

I'm not a purist on colors or tops.  I'm not upset that it doesn't have a vibrola either.

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31 minutes ago, BubbaVO said:

The question is - do you like it?

I personally find it extremely attractive. I love SG’s. While fanciness isn’t what they were created for, this blue princess does have a lot of charm. Very cool axe!

But the true question is: do YOU like it? 😉

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7 hours ago, Studio Custom said:

The market place has told Gibson time and time again, "we don't want change, we want improved quality", are they deaf or stupid?

Answer: Yes.

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“Our best selling model ever, the hard rock/heavy metal guitar epitomized (Young, Tipton, Iommi, etc),  we should change it up!”

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10 hours ago, crunchee said:

Not my point.  Harmonics get lost on a guitar with a 24 fret neck that don't/won't on a 22 fret neck guitar, because the neck pickup is usually where the 24th fret would otherwise be on a 22 fret guitar, which is where a natural harmonic is...which is good, as the neck pickup will usually sound much better, and the guitar will be that much more useful, IMO.  The neck pickup doesn't/won't sound the same between the two locations.

Well, the problem is that with an SG, the pickup isn't right next to the fretboard on the 22 fret models. I actually doubt that the pickup is a different distance from the nut. Note this picture of a 24 Fret SG supreme next to a 22 Fret SG Standard:

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Also, Thundersteel picked one up a while back, and was not really impressed:

 

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1 hour ago, tbonesullivan said:

Well, the problem is that with an SG, the pickup isn't right next to the fretboard on the 22 fret models. I actually doubt that the pickup is a different distance from the nut. Note this picture of a 24 Fret SG supreme next to a 22 Fret SG Standard:

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I stand corrected...my experience with 24-fret electrics that turned me off on those, were with old '70's Guild solidbody electrics I once had, a S-300 and a S-60D.  Obviously, not all guitars are created equal (D'oh!). The late '80's Ric 330 and 360 that I once had also had 24 fret necks, but that never bothered me, primarily because they were Rics, and I just accepted that on a Ric.  That, plus I couldn't afford vintage Ric RIs.

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The 24th fret natural harmonic point for pickup location is only at that location for open strings. Once you fret a note the harmonic point shifts toward the bridge. It looks like the SG's pole pieces are located at the harmonic of 2nd or 3rd fret.

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I used to not care for SGs, until I picked one up and it felt simple in a good way. In fact, for some reason SGs strike me as a Gibson version of a Tele; a flat slab of wood that works precisely because it's simple. Sure, it has buckers and isn't exactly twangy, but it's the simplicity that gives me that vibe...though I prefer a Tele. 

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Tried go-arounds with two SGs: '62RI and a 2x P90 models. They sounded okay, but I must've not had solid examples. They felt flimsy, the neck joints seemed feeble. 

Looking back, I prolly should have spent more time with each guitar, and adjusted my playing approach accordingly. I guess I expected them to be something they were not. 

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16 hours ago, RobB said:

Tried go-arounds with two SGs: '62RI and a 2x P90 models. They sounded okay, but I must've not had solid examples. They felt flimsy, the neck joints seemed feeble. 

Looking back, I prolly should have spent more time with each guitar, and adjusted my playing approach accordingly. I guess I expected them to be something they were not. 

Definitely look for ones with the longer late 60's neck joint. They just feel so much more solid, and I think they sound better too. I have no idea why Gibson even makes any with the original weak and short neck joint. The longer joint is probably around 1 1/2 inches longer than the original design.

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21 hours ago, RobB said:

Tried go-arounds with two SGs: '62RI and a 2x P90 models. They sounded okay, but I must've not had solid examples. They felt flimsy, the neck joints seemed feeble. 

Looking back, I prolly should have spent more time with each guitar, and adjusted my playing approach accordingly. I guess I expected them to be something they were not. 

The '61RI you got from me? Taste, style, and setup vary, of course, but I thought that one was a pretty solid guitar. Still, it's a SG with a 60s slim taper neck. Not a lot of wood, or weight.

What was your expectation with them? Was it like a first-time Studio owner expecting it to sound like a Les Paul, then finding out it didn't?

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No, dude! Nothing wrong with that guitar at all. Just didn't do it for me, like how the Newport you got from me did the same for you.

 

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