soli'd Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Tell me about Rand Havener and the Rand guitars from 87-89. I read an interview from a few years back that recounted his connection to Tom Anderson guitars and his association with Viv Campbell, etc... it didn't mention anything about Hamer, but this design is somewhat proto-Cali, specifically the setneck variety- 27 fret slant board, scalloped cutaways, slanted single in the neck, floyd, single volume knob, even boomer-looking inlays. Think this came a year or two before the first Calis, and most were variations of the overlayed colors look, not unlike some Hamers of the period. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I took lessons from a guy back in the early to mid 90’s who had a Rand. Looked similar to the one you posted based on my memory. Never got to play it, tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthes Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Boomers predated RAND by a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soli'd Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, cmatthes said: Boomers predated RAND by a few years. These are more offset pyramids anyway. Still, the other hallmarks are uncanny, no? Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorrow Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Hum! 😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenD Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 The first production Rands were displayed at the January 15th-17th 1988 Winter NAMM show (below). I own the fourth production Rand built, and it's dated 11-7-1987. I also own the one the guy in the second picture is playing, which Gunnar Nelson once owned. 27-fret prototypes were made throughout 1986-1987 from what I've been told. Here is one of the prototypes made for Vivian Campbell and used in the "Still of the Night" music video This (below) is the very first Rand ever built. EVH Baretta style guitar made with Tom Anderson parts (like all Rands) in late 1985/early 1986. The neck came from a TA neck batch that Eddie Van Halen's Tom Anderson neck also came from in late 1985/early 1986. Gunnar Nelson Rand on chair. He changed the guitar to EMGs for the "After the Rain" album and tour. I've talked to Rand many years ago and chatted with others involved during that era, and I've never heard of a Rand/Californian connection. Did the Rand have influence? Who knows. They were made pretty close together. Calis came out in '88 and I'm sure they were prototyping earlier than that. I guess it's possible. Overall, Rands have a very different feel to a Cali. They have a rather elegant and unique feel to them - amazing in their own right. Only 80 were made, and they don't pop up too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo175 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 @DBraz could tell you a bit about them, I think he still has one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topekatj Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 @DarrenDLove the red machine! What are the two ‘virtuosi’ in the back left of this photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenD Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Experimental builds I made where I tried to mix a Washburn EC36 and Hamer Virtuoso. 3-octaves guitars. They are pretty neat - still have a few more to finish up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topekatj Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 23 hours ago, DarrenD said: Experimental builds I made where I tried to mix a Washburn EC36 and Hamer Virtuoso. 3-octaves guitars. They are pretty neat - still have a few more to finish up. Let’s hear and see more RE: the Virtuos-burns (Wash-tuosos? Vashtuosburns?)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenD Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'll make a new thread on them once I finish a few more - I made lots of oddballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBraz Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 10:04 PM, diablo175 said: @DBraz could tell you a bit about them, I think he still has one. Matey mine is a RAN. Sadly I know nothing about Rand’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo175 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, DBraz said: Matey mine is a RAN. Sadly I know nothing about Rand’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobB Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, DBraz said: Matey mine is a RAN. Sadly I know nothing about Rand’s. Can't you just sharpie-in a, "d", and tell us about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo175 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, RobB said: Can't you just sharpie-in a, "d", and tell us about it? It might spare me a bit more sheepishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceeb Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 You’ll put yer eye out, kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixesandsevens Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenD Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I've been getting swamped with Rand related questions on other forums and email for some reason. If anyone has more Rand questions, join the facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/randguitars where extreme detail can be given. If you hate facebook, just ask them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velorush Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I have no questions (though I have very definitely enjoyed the discussion), but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to again go on record as hating Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenD Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 It's important to note that Rands are basically Tom Anderson guitars. Rand Havener sculpted TA parts to make them what they are. Havener was a talented painter and did most himself. Do Rands feel similar to Calis? The answer is no. They are both great in their own way, but they have a different feel. I've owned six californians over the years. Every one felt different from each other: different neck size, resonance, etc. Each one was very unique. Rand bodies are a tad smaller and are more standardized with their necks (generally thinner) and feel. They have a very "sculpted" touch that's quite nice and are usually lighter in weight. Can't go wrong with either. That being said, if you like Calis and superstrats, Rands are right up your alley. I'll take side-by-side pics with the Rand/cali when one of my Rands arrives from a refinish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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