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Did someone say souless wankery?  /emoticons/default_wink.pnghttp://users.adelphia.net/~jettster/images.../Movie_0001.wmv
OMG!! Make it stop, please! My not-so-discerning 'classic-rock and blues' ears just can't distinguish/fathom all those wicked notes!!! Too much info for my penta-brain to process!!

heheh. But seriously, the technique-o-phobes can really bring a musician down, can't they? Good wanking there, sir.

 
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I'd like to see somebody go to a Buckethead concert with a wristrocket and knock that shitty looking thing right off. Now that would be entertaining! I liked the teslacles joke BTW, see you next month Pam.

Joe

 
I've been formulating a take on this sort of thing lately. Basically, I think you can broadly break music up into "folk" music and "art" music. I don't mean "folk" in the "acoustic guitars and banjos" way, more more in the "popular, simpler melodies originated and enjoyed by the popular culture" kind of way. The vast majority of rock music is "folk" music in this sense. "Art" music on the other hand is music that in many ways is aimed at sophisticated listeners. A whole lot of people don't like art music because it's not designed to for immediate gratification, it's more like a painting that takes more effort to understand, and might even require some knowlege of the artist and where his motivations lie, and might even require knowledge of painting to the point of being able to see where the artist changed things up. Vai, Satch, et all often straddle the middle ground between folk and art, or go straight to art. While Jazz started off as folk music, it has migrated nearly completly to Art. Mozart was not folk music of the day, and I'm sure many people didn't like to listen to him then either.

I don't "like" alot of BeBop Jazz, but I'm fully willing to admit thats because I don't know what I am listening for, and my ear is not developed enough to really hear the relationship of the harmony and the melody and what a given soloist is doing in that context. You arn't gonna hear me say that a particular BeBopper is "souless" just because I don't get what's happening. What the hell is "soul" anyway? If it's all about the lyrics, then I guess that any instrumental music is incapable of having soul. Part of the "soul" in a Vai or Satch tune is in reality the fact that they can flat out play stuff that is impossible for some other people, or that the create sounds and textures with the guitar that other people don't.

So, if you don't like something, then consider learning what you need in order to appreciate it. It will probably open you up as a musician. On the other hand, you may not give a shit about learning that, which is fine, but don't slag on musicians whose work you choose not to understand.

 
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Well said TG. I actually sat down and listened to stuff I didn't really like last night just to see if I might be wrong. It was the CMT Awards Show. I still don't really like most of the stuff Nashville pumps out. I heard some really good players and singers(hard to argue Urban and Paisley) but I still don't like most of the material, production, etc. Hey I made an effort.

Someone's gotta admit that there are a few shredder dudes that are really only just going real fast, not anybody that's been mentioned in this thread but there are a couple real wankers out there.

 
Mozart was not folk music of the day, and I'm sure many people didn't like to listen to him then either.
Heh, that's funny since Mozart was going through my head when I was reading this thread a few times.

See, there are plenty of sections of Opera that could be called "soulless". I mean, really, a soprano nailing the arias in the Magic Flute? My mom HATES that stuff. Personally, what it does for me is show me a person who has devoted enough to their craft to be able to play that piece. Essentially, that is a solo, just written out by the composer. Does it convey emotion? Sometimes, but plenty of people call it singing wankery (or something similar).

I guess that pretty much backs up what you said, TG. I know if someone had called my performances on horn soulless I would've whacked 'em upside the head, but I don't think my college audition piece is known for being a soul-stirring piece. /emoticons/default_wink.png Not on tuba anyway.

 
Someone's gotta admit that there are a few shredder dudes that are really only just going real fast, not anybody that's been mentioned in this thread but there are a couple real wankers out there.
Sure, just like there are plenty of garage bands that really DO suck, plenty of black-turtlenecked art rockers who are all about the pretense, plenty of funk horn sections that don't even realize they're out of tune, etc.

Like any other sub-section of society there will be good, bad, talented, not talented, and of course assholes. /emoticons/default_wink.png

(and yes, I DO agree with you, there's plenty of guys who just sweep pick their little fingers off and say nothing)

 
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Someone's gotta admit that there are a few shredder dudes that are really only just going real fast, not anybody that's been mentioned in this thread but there are a couple real wankers out there.
Chris Impelliteri comes immediately to mind. Man, that dude's positively robotic!

 
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