Hendrix Overrated?

Not to be too much the Karmic Zen Hippie here...

but playing isn't an Olympic event. I don't belive in "best" even though Steve Vai's talent is obvious.

There's good music, and then the other kind...

I just wanna dig the music, whether it's 'cos of imagination, chops, melody, rhythm, lyrics or some combination that makes soul.

 
What BadgerDave said.

I'm 30, so I'm not blown away by Jimi Hendrix from a technical standpoint (except for his rhythm playing), but hey, Joe Satriani wouldn't be playing guitar if it wasn't for him, and that's a good enough comment on his greatest for me. /emoticons/default_laugh.png

-Austin

 
I like to think I can cop the style of some guitar players with distinctive style at least some of the time. With Hendrix...I cant even do a good fake. Hes decievingly good.

 
I believe the original post was about whether he was overrated, not whether he was the greatest (obviously /emoticons/default_laugh.png )..."greatest" implies it's a competition...but overrated? Heck no he's not overrated....

 
I own the DVD and while it's not Hendrix's best concert (band was basically thrown together for Woodstock), it still gives me goosebumps when he tears it up on "Foxy Lady". His sound in those days was such an incredible expression of emotion it couldn't be duplicated by anyone without them looking like a simple poser. It was HIS sound nobody else's. There aren't that many guitar players around now that stick out like that. Mostly everybody trying to outdo the guy standing next to him playing through the same damn amplifier brand sounding very much alike no matter how hard they try. The conformity that trys to swallow up everything in life SUCKS and it doesn't look to good for the future either. Just walk into any GC and listen. Here's a quote from another instantly recognizable player. "This is not the Olympics, this is not the NBA. If you have to triumph at the expense of somebody else, then it's not music. Real musicians complement. Messed up people compete." (Carlos Santana) Sorry everybody, rant mode shutting down now.

Joe

 
Obviously the point was missed. Not suprised really. I'm gone.
Hey, don't let the door ... /emoticons/default_blink.png/emoticons/default_laugh.png/emoticons/default_blink.png

 
A lot of people now have no concept of how crude equipment was to record a live anything back then. When compared to today's recording methods and an Apple onstage to process, etc., the sound you're listening to is somewhat akin to holding a cellphone up to the stage.

I walked the earth at that time. The 8-track (what's an 8-track?) wasn't even around.

Woodstock wasn't a musical extravaganza for musicians to get recorded in pristine clarity (for the times) -- it was a war protest rally hastilly thrown together in a farmer's field and not well thought out. People died, there was massive sewage and garbage problems, it rained, the equpment and bandstand was located in a hollow that turned into a giant mudbath (it was kinda like going to Wal Mart now) and everything was either wet, or didn't work at all. It was what it was, but Woodstock wasn't intended to give anyone musical nirvana for all time -- that wasn't the deal. The fact the Hendrix performance from Woodstock is copied over and over and studied is somewhat remarkable.

He's been gone right at 40 years, and people still study his technique and music, and the vast majority (certainly me) can't emulate it. Some will finally master one song (or a part of a lick) and claim, "I do Hendrix." Sure you do.

 
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Can anyone on this board honestly say that they were not influenced by

Hendrix.It may be easy to cop some of his tone,licks,etc.but i challenge any of you to come up with anything even remotely as good on your own.This may start a

firestorm,but i think part of the reason is that Jimi is a black man in a predomin-

atly white genre.All that needs to be said is his version of Come On Pt.1 on Electric

Ladyland.

'Nuff Said.

 
I never think of Hendrix as not being white. I think of his music first. Mention his name and one of his riffs pops in my head.

When he went to England he was called the American guitarist because his sound was so different from what the British blues guys were doing at the time.

 
Ya Know I have not posted anything on this board in quite awhile but i check in often. And This is one of those posts that make me ask why some subjects fall off the board in no time at all and others with about as much merit as a National enquirer article go on to spawn three pages. does this make better players or just a bunch of geek wash women who cant get a date and are growing hair on there palms pretending to woodshed. When they should shut up and play there guitars.Aspire for greatness like the people you trash have achieved. if your on this board chances are you already play a great guitar.

Peace And Happy New Year.

Posts like this make me kinda glad there will be no factory tour...Can you dig it?

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Obviously the point was missed. Not suprised really. I'm gone.
FANTASTIC input!

 
Can anyone on this board honestly say that they were not influenced by Hendrix.
I'll stand up and say that I believe I was not. That is not to say that I think Hendrix sucks. I can not sit through his songs. Call it short attention span, or whatever. I also walked out of a Zeppelin concert (bio break) during Bonhams's drum solo. Bonham's was a great drummer, but I had other priorities, LOL.

Others have tried to tell me that players like Schenker, and Meniketti were influenced by Hendrix. I don't hear it. The reason could be that what's behind those guys is much more interesting, to me, than the music going on behind Hendrix. And.. their songs seem a heck of a lot shorter.

 
This may start a firestorm,but i think part of the reason is that Jimi is a black man in a predominatly white genre
Oh Lord, not the race card. News flash: Jimi wasn't black. He was sorta light brown.

It's much simpler than that. When you reach the top of anything, no one can raise you any higher. You can only be knocked down.

 
Blind Lemon Jefferson

I really don't think we can fully ever grasp who we are influenced by, because we really don't know. Even if you don't know the name, and a music teacher who was influenced and taught you was influenced, or you emulate someone who was influenced on his building blocks, then you were influenced and owe that original person a debt of gratitude. Music is a chain that is being built, stretched, and handed on to the future. Who then could have dreamed of the Ipod or MP3-4's? Just as we think it the height of technology, the Ipod in 100 years will look crude as will our recording technology.

 
A lot of people now have no concept of how crude equipment was to record a live anything back then.
Not only that - anyone ever try playing those '68/'69 Strats?

They're not the most "hand friendly" guitars out there.

Then....try playing it upside down.

 
This may start a firestorm,but i think part of the reason is that Jimi is a black man in a predomin-

atly white genre.
Sorry, I missed something.

Jimi's race is part of the reason for what?

 
This may start a firestorm,but i think part of the reason is that Jimi is a black man in a predomin-

atly white genre.
Sorry, I missed something.

Jimi's race is part of the reason for what?
Jimi's race is part of the reason for what?
Poor Jimi -- died in total obscurity.

Johnny Cash -- same deal (had to go to a hip/hop label to get produced because of racism).

Sarcasm off.

 
A lot of us got into Van Halen first. Then we heard the live albums from Hendrix and Jimmy Page and their playing seemed sloppy. There's no denying the genius of those guys, but when you've been listening to super-clean studio shred, those live performances can seem a little underwhelming. Of course, the live albums I heard were Hendrix's Live at Winterland and Zep's The Song Remains the same - not the best stuff from either guy.

 
I have always had a mystical concept of Henrix as an untouchable guitarist who superceded humanity with raw talent and vision.After watching the Woodstock DVD, the concert footage really brought me down-to-earth; and I witnessed a guitarist who just seemed to be just an average working Joe jamming with his buddies.

The Woodstock DVD somehow ended my fascination with the whole Hendrix marketing campaign.  Kinda like finding out Rob Halford is gay.

Am I alone in this opinion?  I love listening to Jimi as much as the next guy.

I am sure this will stir up controversary, and I don't mean to offend.  You really have to watch the DVD to know what I am referring to.
Unfortunately Jimi did do his fair amount of drugs and thus he did perform consequently. his bad stuff is bad.

BUT

his good stuff is epic - stuff of which history is made.

If he had been alive IMHO he would have done some swell jazz stuff with people of the likes of Davis, for example - it would have been far out.

And if you want to diss his technique in the light of today's standards, just try to cop Little Wing.

It's a known fact that nobody can do it right, note for note, slur for slur.

JJ

 
You have got to get a copy of the Band Of Gypsys Live At The Fillmore.  The problem I always had with Hendrix was with Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding.  They were just too hyperactive for my tastes.  The Band of Gypsys is non-stop heavy grooves with incredible guitar playing.  It's almost too much for me to sit and listen to the whole thing at one time.
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I love Hendrix but prefer the studio recordings.

Mitch Mitchell was a white jazz drummer. That

meant he was banging on everything, as fast

as he could. Not exactly what I call a funky drummer.

His style is not exactly dancable or funky at all.

I find his playing very irritating at times. And personally

think that a better more stable drummer whould have

brought out more of Hendrix music.

The Band of Gypsys had Buddy Miles on drums.

I clearly prefer him as a drummer over Mitch.

I also personally think that Hendrix greatness

as an artist also involved his singing style.

His voice is as personal as his guitarplaying.

The Band of Gypsys started a form of great funk

that would be picked up by Sly Stone.

As a guitarist Hendrix was outstanding. Just as inovative

for guitar as Larry Graham was for bass, (he invented the

slap bass funk style). There has been 1000s of players

after Hendrix that where faster and had more technique,

but not many, if any, has had the same soul and feel to

their playing.

What Hendrix did can never be tought at the Musicians Institute in LA.

There are hundreds of Steve Lukathers out there, and they

will not even come close, ever.

 
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