Well I'm done here....

mathman said:
You should stick around. Where else can you see poe's ass with brass balls on a squirrel?

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Now that's different!

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cmatthes said:
Mike:

You should know that the Outer Circle portion of the HFC Board has been available for any member in good standing who wishes to contribute to help offset the expenses of running this board/site. It has been an openly-known (nothing secret about it) portion of our Message Board and community. The HFC is otherwise free to everybody except for Ted and the Mod team, who spend our own personal funds and many hundreds of hours every year to keep things up and running around here. OC access is available to anybody who chooses to be a supporting member.

Chris
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I've been here a while now, so either I've missed it or it's not as openly known as some might think. I've seen references to the Outer Circle and Inner Circle many times and had no idea what that meant. I thought Inner Circle was just a clique that a few long time posters and the mods here called themselves, and I never got a handle on the Outer Circle so this finally clears it up for me.

Unfortunately it has come at the cost of someone who felt wronged. There are folks here who really seem to know each other, can tell you the last 5 owners of certain guitars, wives'/girlfriends'/kids' names, go to each other's gigs, have jams, etc. Not all of us have that history and intimate knowledge of this community, so don't take for granted when you're posting something that everyone knows what the hell is going on. Although I enjoy this board, I feel lost a lot of the time.

 
I remember when the OC was open to everyone temporarily, with an explaination and directions for non-supporter continued access...

Why not do it again?

 
tommy p said:
cmatthes said:
Mike:

You should know that the Outer Circle portion of the HFC Board has been available for any member in good standing who wishes to contribute to help offset the expenses of running this board/site. It has been an openly-known (nothing secret about it) portion of our Message Board and community. The HFC is otherwise free to everybody except for Ted and the Mod team, who spend our own personal funds and many hundreds of hours every year to keep things up and running around here. OC access is available to anybody who chooses to be a supporting member.

Chris
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I've been here a while now, so either I've missed it or it's not as openly known as some might think. I've seen references to the Outer Circle and Inner Circle many times and had no idea what that meant. I thought Inner Circle was just a clique that a few long time posters and the mods here called themselves, and I never got a handle on the Outer Circle so this finally clears it up for me.

Unfortunately it has come at the cost of someone who felt wronged. There are folks here who really seem to know each other, can tell you the last 5 owners of certain guitars, wives'/girlfriends'/kids' names, go to each other's gigs, have jams, etc. Not all of us have that history and intimate knowledge of this community, so don't take for granted when you're posting something that everyone knows what the hell is going on. Although I enjoy this board, I feel lost a lot of the time.
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Well, that's sort of normal. I mean I'm not leaping to the defense of my most favorite place online because I don't post here a LOT but if you hang out at other forums you tend to get a lot more of the "Why are these people pointing at me" feeling. If you don't know the history of a few key players and incidents from this board's past -- Spidey, Nightwolf, the Aceburst, tree-fiddy, the dude with the "Korean prototype" Hamer, and a few bumps in the road -- it can seem clubby. But really this is the most welcoming, open, and free-form music message board out there, and none of the stuff you're missing is VITAL. Just PayPal over a few bucks to help meet the expenses of this time-consuming pain in the mods butts and make your own legend here.

 
polara said:
tommy p said:
cmatthes said:
Mike:

You should know that the Outer Circle portion of the HFC Board has been available for any member in good standing who wishes to contribute to help offset the expenses of running this board/site. It has been an openly-known (nothing secret about it) portion of our Message Board and community. The HFC is otherwise free to everybody except for Ted and the Mod team, who spend our own personal funds and many hundreds of hours every year to keep things up and running around here. OC access is available to anybody who chooses to be a supporting member.

Chris
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I've been here a while now, so either I've missed it or it's not as openly known as some might think. I've seen references to the Outer Circle and Inner Circle many times and had no idea what that meant. I thought Inner Circle was just a clique that a few long time posters and the mods here called themselves, and I never got a handle on the Outer Circle so this finally clears it up for me.

Unfortunately it has come at the cost of someone who felt wronged. There are folks here who really seem to know each other, can tell you the last 5 owners of certain guitars, wives'/girlfriends'/kids' names, go to each other's gigs, have jams, etc. Not all of us have that history and intimate knowledge of this community, so don't take for granted when you're posting something that everyone knows what the hell is going on. Although I enjoy this board, I feel lost a lot of the time.
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Well, that's sort of normal. I mean I'm not leaping to the defense of my most favorite place online because I don't post here a LOT but if you hang out at other forums you tend to get a lot more of the "Why are these people pointing at me" feeling. If you don't know the history of a few key players and incidents from this board's past -- Spidey, Nightwolf, the Aceburst, tree-fiddy, the dude with the "Korean prototype" Hamer, and a few bumps in the road -- it can seem clubby. But really this is the most welcoming, open, and free-form music message board out there, and none of the stuff you're missing is VITAL. Just PayPal over a few bucks to help meet the expenses of this time-consuming pain in the mods butts and make your own legend here.
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This is true. They even humor and seem to accept me.

 
I remember when the OC was open to everyone temporarily, with an explaination and directions for non-supporter continued access...Why not do it again?
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There are a lot of reasons for it being the way it is. Here are a few...

1. There are sometimes posts of adult nature in the Outer Circle. Not porno but adult. Requiring a donation eliminates *most* of the minors.

2. Sometimes things can get heated so it would make sense that we eliminate anyone who is simply there to stir crap.

 
edgar_allan_poe said:
I remember when the OC was open to everyone temporarily, with an explaination and directions for non-supporter continued access...Why not do it again?
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There are a lot of reasons for it being the way it is. Here are a few...

1. There are sometimes posts of adult nature in the Outer Circle. Not porno but adult. Requiring a donation eliminates *most* of the minors.

2. Sometimes things can get heated so it would make sense that we eliminate anyone who is simply there to stir crap.
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OK, fine... but "the way it is" really isn't cutting it when threads like this show up.

There's nothing wrong with restricting access...

There's nothing wrong with requiring a donation...

There's something wrong with the current "screening process"... it's apparently alienating the uninformed.

Cary said:
I thought the requirement for a financial contribution to get into the Outer Circle had changed?

http://www.hamerfanclub.com/forums/index.p...mp;hl=supporter

I can vouch for custom53's non-financial contributions.
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Something like that link needs to be pinned up top where everyone can see it without having to search.

 
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If the uninformed had contacted a Moderator or started a thread simply asking what happened, I'm sure everything could have been taken care of quickly and easily (hell, it still could). But the public hissy fit? /emoticons/default_blink.png

-Austin

 
If the uninformed had contacted a Moderator or started a thread simply asking what happened, I'm sure everything could have been taken care of quickly and easily (hell, it still could). But the public hissy fit? laugh.gif
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Bingo... A simple PM solves the entire problem. We can't and won't pm or e-mail every time we move something or delete something. If you have a question...ask. It is that simple.

 
Anybody having a question regarding the OC can contact a moderator.

I emailed Chris (cmatthes) asking how, and how much to join.

He got back to me right away.

Check was in the mail the next day.

Anyone of the moderators here can answer questions and concerns regardless of the topic.

 
Notice that most of the folks here that understand the new guy's frustration are also new, and most of the people giving "you should have just done such and such" answers have post counts in the thousands. That should tell you long-timers something. Of course you know what to do. You've been here forever and some of you are mods! Give the rest of us a break and some understanding.

When you delete/move a post is there any fixed blurb that tell the offender who to contact for an explanation?

 
i've been here almost two years i think , have almost 1000 posts and knew nothing about any "outer circle", never heard mention of it til now , would certainly send a check not so much to get in any "outer circle" but cuz i dig the board and would love to help out , just sayin.................................

 
tommy p said:
When you delete/move a post is there any fixed blurb that tell the offender who to contact for an explanation?
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The idea is not to draw attention to it and stir up more crap.

If something as trivial as moving a thread about the friggin' Mad Max movies is gonna throw him into a tailspin, just imagine what some of the hijinx in the OC would have done!

-Jonathan

 
tommy p said:
Notice that most of the folks here that understand the new guy's frustration are also new, and most of the people giving "you should have just done such and such" answers have post counts in the thousands. That should tell you long-timers something. Of course you know what to do. You've been here forever and some of you are mods! Give the rest of us a break and some understanding.

When you delete/move a post is there any fixed blurb that tell the offender who to contact for an explanation?
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I'm not saying I don't understand his frustration. I just saying that's no excuse for throwing a hissy fit. I mean, I know it's fun to get some clueless righteous anger going every once and a while, but really! I suppose I spend waaaay to much time on message boards, but I know by now that the way to find out information is to start a cordial thread (ex. "Where did my post go") or send a nice message to one of the board moderators (all of whom are listed under the various subforums at the homepage). If you're nice, people will generally be nice to you, but mess with the bull...

-Austin

 
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Putting aside the actual thread topic for a second this Outer Circle thing gets a little confusing. What is the actual hierarchy? As I understand it the outer circle is actually more "inner" than the inner circle. Or am I just a complete dork?

HRR

 
harry65 said:
i've been here almost two years i think , have almost 1000 posts and knew nothing about any "outer circle", never heard mention of it til now , would certainly send a check not so much to get in any "outer circle" but cuz i dig the board and would love to help out , just sayin.................................
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I agree, Harry. I don't post much but have really enjoyed this place over the years and will gladly contribute. Somebody shoot me the info.

 
If people are confused about the outer circle then I think a sticky thread at the top is probably in order, it would save the mods tons of PMs and e-mails asking where peoples threads went. It sounds to me like this wasn't the first thread custom 53 had moved on him and he thought they were being deleted but without talking to him thats just speculation. He should have contacted a mod or something instead of his waterloo post (WTF is a waterloo post anyway?) but I can understand his frustration if he didn't know what was going on.

 
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