Guest pirateflynn Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Context is EverythingSeveral years ago when I still had co-workers, one of them asked my adviceon $300 speakers. On my recommendation he ordered a pair of $280over-achieving small monitor speakers from Audio Advisor. About two weekslater he passed me at work and growled, “Your speakers suck.” I laughed andsaid, “Heh-heh. Sure.” And he said, “No, I’m serious: They SUCK!” I couldhear the anger in his voice. So I started asking questions--what do theysound like, where do they sound deficient, where are they situated, whatkind of amp is driving them. He said they sounded muffled and closed in,that they lacked any life or dynamics or sparkle. It turned out he’d placedthem on the floor and he was driving them with a pawnshop mass marketreceiver he’d picked up for around $80. He was playing the CDs on an ‘80spawnshop CD player. So I asked him to bring the speakers over to my housealong with his favorite music so I could hook ‘em up to my small stereo inthe living room, which I knew didn’t suck unless he had a wildlydifferent perception of what sounds good.Since I didn’t have speaker stands either, I placed his speakers on top ofmy small column speakers to get the tweeters to ear level when we sat down.I connected his speakers to my amp, a modest but high current 50 wpc Britishintegrated amp. Then we started playing music. Within 30 seconds he blurtedout, “Well, it’s not the speakers.” They sounded great, and the music was sonicely balanced we spent the bulk of the afternoon spinning our favorite CDsfor each other. He wondered how the speakers could sound so different at my house versushis. I explained how each component leading up to the speakers created asignal chain that could be complementary or self-defeating. He liked thesound in that system so much that he wrote down every component in itincluding the equipment rack and cables. By the time I saw him at workagain, he’d ordered an exact duplicate of everything I had, plus speakerstands.Context is everything. You can’t make crummy gear sound good, but you cancertainly make good gear sound crummy. The strong bass characteristic ofbigger floorstanding speakers usually overloads a small room. Small speakersstrain to fill the space in a large listening room. Low-powered tube ampssound organic and lush, but only when driving efficient speakers with ahigh, stable impedance. And the most influential component in your audiosystem is the room it’s in.But you already knew this instinctively. You don’t expect your Hamer to playand sound its best if the setup and pickup adjustments are out of whack. Youdon’t bring a Roland MicroCube to perform at an outdoor concert. You knowthat a 200 watt head and four 4x12 cabinets is a usually a bit much for asmall club. There is no one “best.” There are instead optimum choices for agiven budget, environment, application, use, and preference.Speaking of preference, the most important applicability issue is you.Ultimately your audio system’s applicability must fit your own uniqueperceptions, values, and tastes.This is an exciting time for sound reproduction. True high resolutionsystems are more affordable and compact than ever. The rise of the iPod,emergence of music servers, and the renaissance of the vinyl LP haveexpanded our listening options as never before. But the real value is in theapplicability of these items--where and how to get the best use out of themAnd that’s where I’m hoping to be of some help in future posts on thisgeneral topic of home and portable audio.--JohnnyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordroad Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 JEB is the audio guru, listen and learn, grasshopper.Seriously, John will listen to your requirements and provide several viable options for your consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pirateflynn Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 JB has been trying get me to add speaker stands for my Klipsch horns since I bought them .. and maybe add a subwoofer, too. Maybe one day I'll get off my ass and do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Best thing I did in the last couple of years to improve my speakers was to build some panels with OC703 and put them across the corners of the room and behind the speakers. AMAZING how much nicer the bass response is with just 2 corners worth of bass traps and a couple of broadbands on the walls.If you have a small room, low ceiling, SQUARE room, or any combination of the above, those awesome speakers in someone's nicer room could sound like crap -- no matter what drives them. A change in listening position or a little room treatment can make a huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyB Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 JB has been trying get me to add speaker stands for my Klipsch horns since I bought them .. and maybe add a subwoofer, too. Maybe one day I'll get off my ass and do it! For now, using the flip flops to tilt the speaker back is better than putting them on a stand--until you get a subwoofer. I didn't like the Heresy idea in the first place because the bottom octave is entirely missing. If you stay with your vintage vibe, the Klipsch Forte would be a much better match. Same sensitivity as the Heresy but a much better top to bottom tonal balance, and at least 1/2 octave more bass (the part you need). More than any of those, however, the best match for that amp and the space limitations of your Burbank rancho, however, would be a modern design speaker, specifically the Mirage Omnisat FS (FS=Floor Stander). Mirage is now up to the third generation of Omnisats. The current version is called the OmniSat3 FS, at $1200/pr and is superb. However, Vann's is closing out the 2nd-gen version, (Omnisat v2 FS) originally at $1K/pair for slightly less than $360/pr with free shipping here. I've heard these and they're superb. They are 5.5" wide columns, meaning they actually take up less space than minimonitors on stands. They make a claimed in-room sensitivity of 94 dB at 1M, which means your little Dyna amp should bring them up to a danceable 109 dB. They could probably use a little sub as well, but they'll have more bass punch out of the box than the Hereseys. Although they're not retro horn-looking, they do sort of capture the googie space-age vibe of a lot of designs from the early '60s, with their aluminum & glass construction. Can't you see these at home in the Project 22 house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pirateflynn Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Can't you see these at home in the Project 22 house? Yes, I sure can. I'm about a day or two from pulling the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Context is Everything
Several years ago when I still had co-workers, one of them asked my advice
on $300 speakers. On my recommendation he ordered a pair of $280
over-achieving small monitor speakers from Audio Advisor. About two weeks
later he passed me at work and growled, “Your speakers suck.” I laughed and
said, “Heh-heh. Sure.” And he said, “No, I’m serious: They SUCK!” I could
hear the anger in his voice. So I started asking questions--what do they
sound like, where do they sound deficient, where are they situated, what
kind of amp is driving them. He said they sounded muffled and closed in,
that they lacked any life or dynamics or sparkle. It turned out he’d placed
them on the floor and he was driving them with a pawnshop mass market
receiver he’d picked up for around $80. He was playing the CDs on an ‘80s
pawnshop CD player. So I asked him to bring the speakers over to my house
along with his favorite music so I could hook ‘em up to my small stereo in
the living room, which I knew didn’t suck unless he had a wildly
different perception of what sounds good.
Since I didn’t have speaker stands either, I placed his speakers on top of
my small column speakers to get the tweeters to ear level when we sat down.
I connected his speakers to my amp, a modest but high current 50 wpc British
integrated amp. Then we started playing music. Within 30 seconds he blurted
out, “Well, it’s not the speakers.” They sounded great, and the music was so
nicely balanced we spent the bulk of the afternoon spinning our favorite CDs
for each other.
He wondered how the speakers could sound so different at my house versus
his. I explained how each component leading up to the speakers created a
signal chain that could be complementary or self-defeating. He liked the
sound in that system so much that he wrote down every component in it
including the equipment rack and cables. By the time I saw him at work
again, he’d ordered an exact duplicate of everything I had, plus speaker
stands.
Context is everything. You can’t make crummy gear sound good, but you can
certainly make good gear sound crummy. The strong bass characteristic of
bigger floorstanding speakers usually overloads a small room. Small speakers
strain to fill the space in a large listening room. Low-powered tube amps
sound organic and lush, but only when driving efficient speakers with a
high, stable impedance. And the most influential component in your audio
system is the room it’s in.
But you already knew this instinctively. You don’t expect your Hamer to play
and sound its best if the setup and pickup adjustments are out of whack. You
don’t bring a Roland MicroCube to perform at an outdoor concert. You know
that a 200 watt head and four 4x12 cabinets is a usually a bit much for a
small club. There is no one “best.” There are instead optimum choices for a
given budget, environment, application, use, and preference.
Speaking of preference, the most important applicability issue is you.
Ultimately your audio system’s applicability must fit your own unique
perceptions, values, and tastes.
This is an exciting time for sound reproduction. True high resolution
systems are more affordable and compact than ever. The rise of the iPod,
emergence of music servers, and the renaissance of the vinyl LP have
expanded our listening options as never before. But the real value is in the
applicability of these items--where and how to get the best use out of them
And that’s where I’m hoping to be of some help in future posts on this
general topic of home and portable audio.
--JohnnyB
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