Guest pirateflynn Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Whatup HFC. Ken asked me to come up w/ some lesson concepts.Here’s an easy and cool jazzy move using a 6/9 grip similar to the one used in Miles Davis’ “So What”.although not the same voicing as the record,i like this 6/9 quartal voicing for the "so what" 2 chord answer to the signature bass lick,(on the record it sounds like "bu-dum da-dum da-dum de-dum, so what" ).but, i use a grip on the top 4 strings; low to high E A D G (2nd & 3rd fet), thenD G C F (open & 1st fret).goofy computer neck diagram;------3-------3----2-------2--------------------now take that grip and starting on the 10th fret spell the dorian mode up and down the neck with the high E string (10th fret high E is D; move this grip up and down w/ the high E string landing on D, E, F , G , A, B, C.this concept of moving a set group of intervals is called "planing" (sounds like "plain-ing").it sounds cool and is so easy, plus it adds some non mode tones.Here’s a similar wes montgomery move that uses the same concept of planing, but w/ a diminished chord;take a 1 finger bar on the top 4 strings 10th fret;this is a simple Dmin7. on the 5th fret its Amin7. so you got one & five chords in D dorian.starting on one of these 2 simple bar grips,move up and down the neck using a fully diminished chordon every single fret EXCEPT the 10th and 5th.(fully diminished chord grip i'm talking about here istop 4 strings, 2nd & 3rd frets, low to high isE, Bb, Db, G = Edim). -----3----2--------3----2-----------------you can hear wes doing this on his version of john coltranes "impressions",and a buncha other tunes (sometimes he uses it in mixolydian tunes,just use a simple D7 grip on the tenth fret by adding a F# on the G string).----10-------10---------11-----10-----------------------i get tons of milage out of stuff like this because its easyand symetrical (moving the same shape around).Have fun!-Brooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pirateflynn Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'm gonna dig right into this one, Brooks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialk Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Thanks Brooks! Wes is my hero. This is so simple but sounds very cool. Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooks Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 thanx. playing thru these just now, i wanted to mention a few cool ways to appraoch these; 1) quick staccatto chord stabs, just like wes; mix up the rhythms and practice moving these shapes around w/ quick stabs, very jazzy.2) use a symetrical sweep picking style (this doesn't necessarily mean super fast yngwie speed, it can sound great w/ a slow triplet feel). use a downstroke on strings 4 thru 1 followed by moving the shape then doing an upstroke on strings 1 thru 4, move and repeat;----------10-12------------------13-15---------------10-------12------------13-------15----------9-------------11-------12------------14-----9 -----------------11-12------------------14 etc...----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------try it w/ all notes ringing into each other, then try it palm muted staccatto.this picking patern also works GREAT on the fully diminished shape i mentioned earlier. this shape is symetrical, so the 4 notes (E,G,Bb,Db)"roll over" every 3 frets (its the same notes just a new voicing).w/ a little practice this is easy to do fast; i used this in my 2nd solo on "grooving" from my band generic hustle's cd(which is still available! i got boxes of 'em laying around, ha).-----------3--6--------------9--12-----------------------2-------5----------8-------11-----------------3------------6------9------------12------------2----------------5--8-----------------11---etc------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------edited- don't know my downstrokes from up, doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pirateflynn Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Okay. I've got that down but I don't know what I'm playing. Can you give me a chord progression to work on that I can play these examples over? .. or do I have the wrong idea about this lesson?(I'm sure Brooks is slapping his forehead right now. Damn, self taught players! lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooks Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Okay. I've got that down but I don't know what I'm playing. Can you give me a chord progression to work on that I can play these examples over? .. so you got one & five chords in D dorian.or, any Dmin jam.the Edim thing works lotsa places. but i'm drunk at the beach so thats something i'll do next time.horns up for HFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pirateflynn Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 so you got one & five chords in D dorian.or, any Dmin jam.D dorian - one and five chords ... Dm and G ?I think I'm starting to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooks Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 so you got one & five chords in D dorian.or, any Dmin jam.D dorian - one and five chords ... Dm and G ?I think I'm starting to get it.D dorian is d e f g a b c d ;one chord is Dm7 (d f a c) & five chord is Am7 (a c e g) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Whatup HFC. Ken asked me to come up w/ some lesson concepts.
Here’s an easy and cool jazzy move using a 6/9 grip similar to the one used in Miles Davis’ “So What”.
although not the same voicing as the record,
i like this 6/9 quartal voicing for the "so what" 2 chord answer to the signature bass lick,
(on the record it sounds like "bu-dum da-dum da-dum de-dum, so what" ).
but, i use a grip on the top 4 strings;
low to high E A D G (2nd & 3rd fet), then
D G C F (open & 1st fret).
goofy computer neck diagram;
------3-
------3-
---2----
---2----
--------
--------
now take that grip and starting on the 10th fret spell the dorian mode
up and down the neck with the high E string (10th fret high E is D;
move this grip up and down w/ the high E string landing on
D, E, F , G , A, B, C.
this concept of moving a set group of intervals is called "planing" (sounds like "plain-ing").
it sounds cool and is so easy, plus it adds some non mode tones.
Here’s a similar wes montgomery move that uses the same concept of planing, but w/ a diminished chord;
take a 1 finger bar on the top 4 strings 10th fret;
this is a simple Dmin7. on the 5th fret its Amin7.
so you got one & five chords in D dorian.
starting on one of these 2 simple bar grips,
move up and down the neck using a fully diminished chord
on every single fret EXCEPT the 10th and 5th.
(fully diminished chord grip i'm talking about here is
top 4 strings, 2nd & 3rd frets, low to high is
E, Bb, Db, G = Edim).
-----3-
---2---
-----3-
---2---
-------
-------
you can hear wes doing this on his version of john coltranes "impressions",
and a buncha other tunes (sometimes he uses it in mixolydian tunes,
just use a simple D7 grip on the tenth fret by adding a F# on the G string).
----10---
----10---
------11-
----10---
----------
----------
i get tons of milage out of stuff like this because its easy
and symetrical (moving the same shape around).
Have fun!
-Brooks
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