SirDouglas Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 CLASSIC!!!!!! Pirate, that's like yelling "Anyone else smell my fart?" in church! Back on subject.... We had the Prototype of that guitar, and it is awesome. as this one sits in the case cause im afraid to scratch it.... played nice sounded good but doesnt sit good on my body.... so it stays safe and gets a cleaning about once a month to keep the shit off the chrome Randy
belgian Posted August 9, 2007 Posted August 9, 2007 A guitar like this needs a flaw to get played, mine had it from the start : A new guitar needs some scratches before you can play it without restrictions. This one is my only humbucker guitar I really like the bridge pickup on.
moozak Posted August 10, 2007 Author Posted August 10, 2007 as this one sits in the case cause im afraid to scratch it.... played nice sounded good but doesnt sit good on my body.... so it stays safe and gets a cleaning about once a month to keep the shit off the chrome Randy Randy... ever seen Gary Moore's "Peter Green" burst? (broken headstock... lotsa play wear) how 'bout Gary Rossington's burst? (broken headstock... lotsa play wear) or Allen Collin's explorer? (broken headstock) or Clapton's famous "blackie"?... (which was put together from many different "favorite" strats) i have an "original" very rare 1975 red sparkle les paul deluxe... probably no more than 100 in existence. even vintage guitar collectors grab them. i've had it for many many years... and, even though i wouldn't do it now... it was modified for humbuckers many years ago (professionally). i've still been offered a lot of money for it. it is what it is. My theory... if it's ever going to be worth money... natural play wear won't hurt it. of course, i do understand where you're coming from in taking care of it... but i honestly dont' think light play wear would hurt anything. it's either a collector's item or it isn't... and honestly... only time will tell. A guitar like this needs a flaw to get played, mine had it from the start : belgian... i really don't see that as a flaw. depends on your view i guess. again with the 59 burst example... many of those had the same "mineral streaks". in fact, it's now a bit of a desired effect on reissue LP's just for authenticity. go to the les paul forum and search for "mineral streak". so, to me, you have a very gorgeous piece of wood... i'm sure Hamer thought so too being that they literally got started from dealing with and "admiring" vintage gibsons. in fact, go back up to my very first post in start of this thread and take a good look at my Special K... there are 30 redwoods existence (and a prototype or two?)... only 10 Special K's. see the knotty looking mark in between the volume knobs? i'm pointing this out because i don't see the mark on your guitar as a flaw... it's simply a streak in the wood. it's all in the eye of the beholder my friend!
belgian Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 A guitar like this needs a flaw to get played, mine had it from the start :belgian... i really don't see that as a flaw. depends on your view i guess. again with the 59 burst example... many of those had the same "mineral streaks". in fact, it's now a bit of a desired effect on reissue LP's just for authenticity. go to the les paul forum and search for "mineral streak". so, to me, you have a very gorgeous piece of wood... i'm sure Hamer thought so too being that they literally got started from dealing with and "admiring" vintage gibsons.in fact, go back up to my very first post in start of this thread and take a good look at my Special K... there are 30 redwoods existence (and a prototype or two?)... only 10 Special K's. see the knotty looking mark in between the volume knobs? i'm pointing this out because i don't see the mark on your guitar as a flaw... it's simply a streak in the wood.it's all in the eye of the beholder my friend!The "flaw" was in the eyes of the seller (the Belgian importer of Hamer), for me it made the guitar a real bargain. Got a LOT off the original asking price.
moozak Posted August 10, 2007 Author Posted August 10, 2007 The "flaw" was in the eyes of the seller (the Belgian importer of Hamer), for me it made the guitar a real bargain. Got a LOT off the original asking price.lol... so the Hamer importer thought it was a flaw huh? oh well... you got the better end of the deal i'd say! i know one thing... i LOVE that picture you posted up above (i think it's post #19)... the color of the top as well as the fingerboard... plus the flames... very nice to look at.
SirDouglas Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 Randy... ever seen Gary Moore's "Peter Green" burst? (broken headstock... lotsa play wear) how 'bout Gary Rossington's burst? (broken headstock... lotsa play wear) or Allen Collin's explorer? (broken headstock) or Clapton's famous "blackie"?... (which was put together from many different "favorite" strats) i have an "original" very rare 1975 red sparkle les paul deluxe... probably no more than 100 in existence. even vintage guitar collectors grab them. i've had it for many many years... and, even though i wouldn't do it now... it was modified for humbuckers many years ago (professionally). i've still been offered a lot of money for it. it is what it is. My theory... if it's ever going to be worth money... natural play wear won't hurt it. of course, i do understand where you're coming from in taking care of it... but i honestly dont' think light play wear would hurt anything. it's either a collector's item or it isn't... and honestly... only time will tell. I dont play it because it doesnt fit me.... i have to play guitars like standards and v's or other guitars that have the back horn or a longer neck/body.... that is actually the only guitar i own that i dont play because of that reason.... i dont horde(FOR THE HORDE!! ) or "collect" i play them... if im reading your post correctly your telling me that i should be playing this in comparision to famous people that can pick and choose and have more of a choice in what they play... im neither famous nor have an extremely large choice (atm) plus the fact that the redwood is the 1st prototype make it worth not beatin up at all and keeping it in good condition is rather a good idea than depreciating it through use... you may wish to fuck your shit up.... i choose to respect my instruments and therefore extend the life of them... but your entitled to your opinion Randy
moozak Posted August 10, 2007 Author Posted August 10, 2007 if im reading your post correctly your telling me that i should be playing this in comparision to famous people that can pick and choose and have more of a choice in what they play... im neither famous nor have an extremely large choice (atm) plus the fact that the redwood is the 1st prototype make it worth not beatin up at all and keeping it in good condition is rather a good idea than depreciating it through use... you may wish to fuck your shit up.... i choose to respect my instruments and therefore extend the life of them... but your entitled to your opinion Randy whoa... take it easy buddy... i didn't mean it like that at all... so you're not reading my post correctly. i'm just saying that... if a guitar's going to be worth money... it'll still be worth money used or not. i'm not advocating that you "fuck your shit up" (as you say)... i'm only saying that a bit of play wear shouldn't hurt. you talk of famous people who could pick and choose when in all honestly... les pauls weren't worth all that much back in their day. in fact, i knew a guy back in the 70's that traded a marshall stack to get a 59 burst. i used those guitars as examples because... back in their day... you couldn't give one away. in fact, the sales of les pauls were so bad they quit making them after 1960... and then look what happened over time. now they're worth a ton... played or not. on the other hand... when my father had a music store and the 25/50 anniversary les paul came out... everyone came in and bought them "in the box" to tuck away under the bed... and after all that... they're just not worth all that much now. and this was a guitar that the company took out full page ads on basically telling folks that it was the most collectible les paul ever. it's just really hard to tell what's going to make a guitar "collectible"... 1 of 30 or a prototype might help... but it's not a guarantee... that's all i'm saying. so... i don't think you'd hurt it any by playing it a bit... perhaps at home or whatever. to each his own... but i also said that i understood where you were coming from in wanting to take care of it. my whole response was based on what you said in a prior post """ as this one sits in the case cause im afraid to scratch it """ ... so i was just trying to point out that it might be ok to play it a bit and possibly "carefully" enjoy it a bit... and i was using extreme examples of "collectibility" to point that out. --that is ALL i meant by my post-- in no way was i meaning anything hurtful... or disrespectful to you OR your guitar in talking about these things. it was just guitar chat... ok? the bottom line is... no matter what you do with it... you have a very nice guitar... and i enjoyed the pics.
ceeb Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 it's just really hard to tell what's going to make a guitar "collectible"... 1 of 30 or a prototype might help... I know those Hamer 25th anni LTDs are going through the roof, if you ever see one of those for sale grab it and don't squabble over the price. Just pay and move on.
Disturber Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 it's just really hard to tell what's going to make a guitar "collectible"... 1 of 30 or a prototype might help... I know those Hamer 25th anni LTDs are going through the roof, if you ever see one of those for sale grab it and don't squabble over the price. Just pay and move on. Last one I saw went for around 2000 dollars, used. Have they gone up?
moozak Posted August 11, 2007 Author Posted August 11, 2007 well, i'm up and about at 7:30 this morning... and i'm excited because the Redwood is supposed to be delivered today! i'll try to get some pics up as soon as i can
moozak Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 hey all... finally got a few pics... hope you enjoy them!
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