What tone is he referring to??

[Citrus]

The following is from a Rolling stone article that is in the archives.

I've heard of folks trying to get the Peter Green tone, and I have heard of Danny Kirwan, but I've never heard anyone make refernce to his tone or much about his playing in general

Anyone here know the tone he is referring to? Just curious.

"For all of the sounds musicians have gotten out of Hamer guitars ("I've never come to a dead end." says Barre)," no one has really gotten the one sound the guitar was designed to make:' says Hamer. "lt's a sound you get with the toggle switch and tone control in a certain position." The sound, he explains. is very close to --and was inspirrd by-- the one Danny Kirwan used to get when he was with the old Fleetwood Mac. "

[Hamer95USA]

Hey Citrus,

The out of phase sound of Danny Kirwan's Les Paul or Peter Green's Les Paul is what Paul Hamer was referring to. The Hamer guitar with two humbuckers, two volume knobs and a tone knob can get the same sound. I believe that you turn both of the volume knobs up, it will give you the out of phase sound. Then turn down one of the volume knobs just a little bit and you get the sound of both humbuckers like a Les Paul. This wiring is also similiar on the Dean USA guitars as well. Anybody care to extrapolate about this cool subject? It was mentioned in the Vintage Guitar Magazine article on Joel Dantzig's website.

Guitar George

[Guest hectorp2]

You can hear the tone on the fairly available CDs: "Fleetwood Mac in Chicago" or "Then Play On."

Since we're talking about Kirwan...you can also hear it on "Kiln House" (after Green left the group).

The best guitar tone I ever heard was a recorded performance I have on a Fleetwood Mac VHS of Peter Green playing "World Keeps on Turning" which is just him singing and playing his sunburst. There is a huge dynamic range in that performance...all from his volume control. At some points, the guitar sounds like a spare acoustic guitar performance which he takes to a snarling tone for riffing to a firehose-like Marshall sound. It's my ideal guitar performance since it shows the full expressive range of the instrument.

[JohnnyThunders]

I love Peter's all instrumental pro-rock album "End of the Game". I wore out two album back in the 70's playing it non-stop. I love that album.

[Steve Haynie]

The out of phase sound is part of it. If you have separate tone controls for each pickup you can turn off the bridge tone and leave the neck tone all the way up. That adds to the squawk of the out of phase tone. It works best with Gibson tone knobs because they are more "on" or "off."

[tbabinec]

The out of phase sound on Peter Green's guitar (now owned by Gary Moore) happened because he either reversed a pickup or reversed the wiring on it. You can hear this sound all over the early Fleetwood Mac records. Danny Kirwan did not have an out-of-phase sound - at least to my ears. Both players also have very distinctive vibrato touch on the strings.

[phoenix]

Hamer has put PP phase on some of my geetars. I love the sound using the Duncan 59 PAF copies. Hamer put them in my Elite and cedar Duotone. I thought the latter was a strange combo until I plugged it in.

[hardheartedbill]

uh, this Duotone may be the best sounding Hamer I've ever heard, amazing axe, congrats Steve and Kudos to Hamer

[phoenix]

Your just trying to suck up after I caught you trashing my Bruno on the Gear Page.LOL

Come by today, My Monaco 12 really should be here in a few hours. Willcutts gave me the lamest excuse ever why they had to play it for another day. "UPS ran out of ink to print the shipping label." Yeah right. It was supposed to ship Friday. I hope they buffed out the pick scratches.

Jol was so thrilled with how it came out, it'll be on the early pages of the Hamer Custom Shop Gallery in a few days. I didn't even pick a color on this one, I just let the New Hartford Asylum do its thing.

Sue is up, about and feeling much better today so I am too. steve

[gwayne]

uh, this Duotone may be the best sounding Hamer I've ever heard, amazing axe, congrats Steve and Kudos to Hamer

Bill,

The last time I was at Steve's I kept going back to that Duotone. Steve would hand me some amazing one-off and I'd say "Let me see the Doutone again". Through that handwired Marshall -- shee-it.