Line Six "The Freeze" equivilant?

[Ting Ho Dung]

I don't want another pedal so was wondering if anyone could point me to a patch for my Line 6 Pod HD. Don't really need a patch just the knowledge of what ingredients to use to simulate The Freeze as Ben does in this Rig Rundown. That's all I need now, thanks.

Also, David Gilmour also did something similar here using a somthin' somthin'. Again, would like to apply this to the Line 6 Pod HD series.

 

[TobiTill]

Hi Thorn,

 

There is no effect like the EHX Freeze in the Pod HD,

but I achieve a similar effect like this:

Choose the Auto-Volume Delay model, set modulation to zero,  delay time to 500-600 ms,

swell to 75% of the maximum swell time .

Set Mix to taste. (I'd recommend something around 40 %).

(I don't own the Pod HD, just a Line 6 M9, so the units for the

parameters might be different, but I hope I can make myself clear.)

Assign the expression pedal to the feeback parameter,

make the toe down position equal feedback at max (infinite feedback)

and the heel down position equal feedback at 70 %.

Program the unit so that the trails of the delay are on,

and so that you can switch the delay on and off with a footswitch of your choice.

 

Operate it like this:

Have the expression pedal in toe down position.

Switch on the delay (with a clean or slightly crunchy sound), play a chord (that you now hear swell in),

switch off the delay.

The chord now rings .

Play a solo over it.

To make the chord fade out,

rock the expression pedal to the heel down position.

Repeat procedure for the next chord.

 

If there is the possibility of having one footswitch switch on one effect and automatically switch off another,

then there is also a different way of doing it, but I don't own the Pod HD, so I'm not sure.

 

Regards,

Tobias

[Ting Ho Dung]

I'm going to give that a shot. I think the only thing different between the two units is mine has the amp modeling and all the effects the m13 has. So far I'm a little disappointed in the amp modeling (and cabs) that I "upgraded" to from my M13.

Thanks for your detailed description. I'll post something if I get it to work. I hate learning curves but have been putting it off long enough. I can't move forward if I don't move out of my comfort zone. Thanks for pointing the direction in which to go.

--Michael

[TobiTill]

Hi Michael,

I made a mistake in my first post:

It's supposed to say : "Set Mix to taste".

I've edited it now.

 

I've heard that the Pod HD can be difficult to program.

I have no experience with it, but I've read that editing the parameters of the Cab simulations can make a huge difference.

 

There are several ways to achieve a "Hold"- effect with the Pod HD (in line with your signal chain or parallel to it; endless sustain or fade out after 40 seconds or so).

If you don't like the results, send me a PM, I can give you more detailed advice on signal chains, effect settings etc,

just  not on how to actually program the unit, as I have never used it.

 

Regards,

Tobias

[unfun75]

That Gilmour clip was goosebumps inducing. The master at work.

[TobiTill]

3 hours ago, unfun75 said:

That Gilmour clip was goosebumps inducing. The master at work.

Yep, although I haven't been playing Rock for 20 years,

Gilmour still remains an inspiration.

Not to mention the facts that

1. whenever I play a Strat I hope to sound like he does/did

(in the 90s, yes, I know that's blasphemy to some ...)

2. the whole search for that "Hold" - delay ( or - reverb)

started when I first listened to a recording just like the one that Michael posted above

(maybe even the exact same one, I don't recall).

Unfortunately , I never saw him live.

 

My apologies for the rambling.

 

Regards,

Tobias

 

[geoff_hartwell]

There are a bunch of cool ways to do this.

Gilmour's is essentially feeding a volume pedal into a delay for the sustained chord. (Ben?...)

Tobi knocked it out out of the park for addressing your concern. 

So get some.

[velorush]

I've read somewhere online in an interview Gilmour explaining very specifically how he did that. It had to do with splitting the signal, a volume pedal and a really long delay. I'll Google...

Ah! From the Interwebs (so take it with a grain bucket of salt, but it sounds plausible):

David wished to play "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" as a solo feature at Robert Wyatt’s Meltdown show at London’s Royal Festival Hall. The first section of this song was originally acoustic guitar played over a sustained synthesiser pad and David had the idea of using a very long delay to provide an accompaniment to his acoustic guitar solo. We added a special level corrected balanced output from the All Tube Effects System to provide a +4dBm signal for the long delay (Roland SDE 3000) fed through a volume pedal. The repeats of the long (1500mS) delay were fed to a Fender Stereo PA amplifier so that David could play the solo section over the sustained chord that he had previously sent to the long delay. We set the repeats to provide about 20 seconds of the sustained chord and we also fitted D.I. outputs for the acoustic guitar and the long delay so that the main PA could receive the signal without the possibility of feedback from open mics on the stage.

If I were trying to replicate it, I'd ignore all of the specifics (like expensive machinery) and strip it down to the basics: split the guitar signal, one goes to the amp for the 'lead' tone, the other to a volume pedal hooked to a 1500 ms delay feedback set to provide around 20 seconds of repeats, then to an amp. As simple as that chain is, I would imagine a fair amount of practice with the setup would be necessary to get the timing down. Cool stuff!

[velorush]

An update (and confirmation) - any time a Gilmour question comes up, it's time to "consult the Book of Armaments, er, Gilmourish!

He confirms the setup described, above.