Daytona emg wiring cunundrum

[T-51Fred]

Got this green Daytona with emgs. Seller cut wires to jack and ground and removed stubs from jack so I have only some idea which goes where. The jack has three solder points rather than two. The three wires that are cut on the pickguard are a green (coming from rear tone pot electric "panel"), red from pups and Black grounded. Guitar body has a cut ground wire. Anyone know which goes where? Judging from what I've seen online--the red might be hot to battery and a battery ground goes to the jack. Don't know which part of the jack the green and black go. Also wondering if this uses one or two batteries.

Thanks,

Fred

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[velorush]

EMG pickups will use a stereo output jack. Don't let it bother you; the second lug is used as a switch to turn on/off the battery power to the preamp. EMGs also forego the bridge/string ground wire (no need). Lastly, unless something has changed in the last, say, four years, they use one 9V battery.

Hard to find the older diagrams online since EMG went solderless, but this should get you where you need to be.

Edited for clarification.

[T-51Fred]

EMG pickups will use a stereo output jack. Don't let it bother you; the second lug is used as a switch to turn on/off the battery power to the preamp. EMGs also forego the bridge/string ground wire (no need). Lastly, unless something has changed in the last, say, four years, they use one 9V battery.

Hard to find the older diagrams online since EMG went solderless, but this should get you where you need to be.

Edited for clarification.

Thanks a lot. This gives me something to work with. I'm guessing that the stereo jack does not need a stereo guitar chord, it's there to engage the battery. Is that correct?

[T-51Fred]

this Daytona does have a cloth covered ground wire to the bridge. Would that mean that it was not originally equipped with emgs? I am interested in authenticity.

[murkat]

" I'm guessing that the stereo jack does not need a stereo guitar chord, it's there to engage the battery. Is that correct?"

Correct.

when the two points contact, battery / pre amp engaged.

" this Daytona does have a cloth covered ground wire to the bridge. Would that mean that it was not originally equipped with emgs? I am interested in authenticity. "

Most manufacturers that spec EMG pickups will still use a ground wire. I have seen many. GCS still does it.

[serial]

Daytonas were not factory-equipped with EMGs, although it is poosible (but unlikely on an $800 list guitar) that it was custom-ordered with them.

[T-51Fred]

Daytonas were not factory-equipped with EMGs, although it is poosible (but unlikely on an $800 list guitar) that it was custom-ordered with them.

Good to know. I have seen em with EMG's. Not sure how "stratty" they will sound. I do love the chime. There's so much to the wiring that I'm going to keep the rig together and sell it on a loaded Fender pick guard if I don't like the tone.

[velorush]

They're dead quiet. Are they SA's or S's? The S's are very chimey and vintagey sounding (Vince Gill). The SA's are still quite Stratty, but have more midrange (David Gilmour). Their SPC is a great piece of kit that fits in the place of one of your Tone controls and boosts certain frequencies to make them very humbuckeresque.

There is a certain inexpressible organic quality that goes away compared to high impedance pickups, but for the trade-off you get absolute silence and amazing responsiveness out of the volume knob.

At gig volume in the middle of a song, no one is going to be able to tell the difference until you stop playing and there's no hum.

[T-51Fred]

They're dead quiet. Are they SA's or S's? The S's are very chimey and vintagey sounding (Vince Gill). The SA's are still quite Stratty, but have more midrange (David Gilmour). Their SPC is a great piece of kit that fits in the place of one of your Tone controls and boosts certain frequencies to make them very humbuckeresque.

There is a certain inexpressible organic quality that goes away compared to high impedance pickups, but for the trade-off you get absolute silence and amazing responsiveness out of the volume knob.

At gig volume in the middle of a song, no one is going to be able to tell the difference until you stop playing and there's no hum.

Thanks Velorush. I'm definitely going to hook it up and give em a try. I'm not sure which set they are, but they look pretty old. There is that very large electronic module on the rear tone control. I'm pretty psyched to try it. Probably do the hook up this weekend. I'll let you know how it sounds.

[velorush]

They're dead quiet. Are they SA's or S's? The S's are very chimey and vintagey sounding (Vince Gill). The SA's are still quite Stratty, but have more midrange (David Gilmour). Their SPC is a great piece of kit that fits in the place of one of your Tone controls and boosts certain frequencies to make them very humbuckeresque.

There is a certain inexpressible organic quality that goes away compared to high impedance pickups, but for the trade-off you get absolute silence and amazing responsiveness out of the volume knob.

At gig volume in the middle of a song, no one is going to be able to tell the difference until you stop playing and there's no hum.

Thanks Velorush. I'm definitely going to hook it up and give em a try. I'm not sure which set they are, but they look pretty old. There is that very large electronic module on the rear tone control. I'm pretty psyched to try it. Probably do the hook up this weekend. I'll let you know how it sounds.

"EMG" on the pickup face should be silver for the S and gold for the SA (assuming it hasn't worn off - it will definitely wear off in time).

Sounds like you have either the SPC or EXG on the rear tone control - an added bonus! You'll know which pretty quickly as they do pretty much the opposite thing. The SPC boosts the mids, the EXG boosts lows and highs.

I've only had the SPC, but others (Thorn, I think, for one) have had the David Gilmour set that has both on board with no true tone control. I really liked the SPC; maybe others can speak to the EXG. There might be some indication of which circuit it is on the tiny PC board.

[Ting Ho Dung]

One of my Daytona's had EMG SAVs. They have visual pole pieces and were quite vintage sounding. T-51 Fred, didn't you say you knew where this guitar went? It was stock with the EMGs but there was a hole drilled for a claw ground wire but the claw had never been soldered on. You could look inside that one and find a lot of answers.

From Ed Roman:

Daytona (1993 - 1997) - contoured ash body with offset double cutaways, bolt-on maple neck with skunk stripe, maple board with black dots (optional rosewood fingerboard), 22 frets on a 25.5 inch scale. Three single coil pickups mounted on scratch plate, Wilkinson VSV trem. system. Daytona SV has EMG pickups.

I had read about the Daytona SV early on somewhere else, maybe here, when I was researching that Daytona.

[T-51Fred]

Thanks Dung, you confirmed for me that I had seen other Daytonas that advertised original EMG's. These Pole pieces are under the full cover, but they could be removed. The ground on this one is cut short so I can't tell if it was every soldered to anything. It's my project for the weekend. I'll post pics of the finished product along with any telling markings that me help identify it's original spec. Not sure about your question about where the guitar "went". Can you clarify?

T5F

[specialk]

Thanks Dung

Now there's something you don't see every day.

[Ting Ho Dung]

Thanks Dung, you confirmed for me that I had seen other Daytonas that advertised original EMG's. These Pole pieces are under the full cover, but they could be removed. The ground on this one is cut short so I can't tell if it was every soldered to anything. It's my project for the weekend. I'll post pics of the finished product along with any telling markings that me help identify it's original spec. Not sure about your question about where the guitar "went". Can you clarify?

T5F

I thought you knew the person who bought my Daytona on Ebay. But I'm easily confused.

[T-51Fred]

Thanks Dung, you confirmed for me that I had seen other Daytonas that advertised original EMG's. These Pole pieces are under the full cover, but they could be removed. The ground on this one is cut short so I can't tell if it was every soldered to anything. It's my project for the weekend. I'll post pics of the finished product along with any telling markings that me help identify it's original spec. Not sure about your question about where the guitar "went". Can you clarify?

T5F

I thought you knew the person who bought my Daytona on Ebay. But I'm easily confused.

Sorry bout the confusion. This seller from florida said he had this guitar and played it for several years. He then bought an updated EMG wiring rig for it with a mid boost but had left the project on the bench because of health issues. left the original, loaded pick guard intact but with battery, jack and ground wires cut, so I'm trying to get clarification on which goes where. He cut a battery cavity into the back and some additional routing was done inside. It's clean work so I can make it nice.

[Ting Ho Dung]

Thanks Dung, you confirmed for me that I had seen other Daytonas that advertised original EMG's. These Pole pieces are under the full cover, but they could be removed. The ground on this one is cut short so I can't tell if it was every soldered to anything. It's my project for the weekend. I'll post pics of the finished product along with any telling markings that me help identify it's original spec. Not sure about your question about where the guitar "went". Can you clarify?

T5F

I thought you knew the person who bought my Daytona on Ebay. But I'm easily confused.

Sorry bout the confusion. This seller from florida said he had this guitar and played it for several years. He then bought an updated EMG wiring rig for it with a mid boost but had left the project on the bench because of health issues. left the original, loaded pick guard intact but with battery, jack and ground wires cut, so I'm trying to get clarification on which goes where. He cut a battery cavity into the back and some additional routing was done inside. It's clean work so I can make it nice.

Your original question was about the jack wiring. Here is a pre-solderless diagram. Ignore the extra battery. As someone stated, it's a stereo jack but the third lug just enables the battery / pickups. Look at the jack carefully and you will see where each ring leads.

[Keoghpjk]

I thought you knew the person who bought my Daytona on Ebay. But I'm easily confused.

I think I just bought it. I can post pics of the wiring when it gets here, if needed.

[T-51Fred]

Thanks Dung, you confirmed for me that I had seen other Daytonas that advertised original EMG's. These Pole pieces are under the full cover, but they could be removed. The ground on this one is cut short so I can't tell if it was every soldered to anything. It's my project for the weekend. I'll post pics of the finished product along with any telling markings that me help identify it's original spec. Not sure about your question about where the guitar "went". Can you clarify?

T5F

I thought you knew the person who bought my Daytona on Ebay. But I'm easily confused.

Sorry bout the confusion. This seller from florida said he had this guitar and played it for several years. He then bought an updated EMG wiring rig for it with a mid boost but had left the project on the bench because of health issues. left the original, loaded pick guard intact but with battery, jack and ground wires cut, so I'm trying to get clarification on which goes where. He cut a battery cavity into the back and some additional routing was done inside. It's clean work so I can make it nice.

Your original question was about the jack wiring. Here is a pre-solderless diagram. Ignore the extra battery. As someone stated, it's a stereo jack but the third lug just enables the battery / pickups. Look at the jack carefully and you will see where each ring leads.

Awesome guys. Thanks for all of the help. I am pretty stoked to hear the EMG hookup, hell just to twank on this green monster. Might need some fret work, too, so patience may be required before the unveiling.