markman Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 Does anybody know anything about the 2002? custom made USA Daytona on the Stutzmans website? It has Dimarzio pickups, vintage style bridge & Schaller tuning machines acording to their website. A gentleman at their store told me it was made by one of the Takamine employees who does all the custom and Artist work. I have it on hold right now to buy. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated! Thank You
Bob P Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 Link please?As much as I love Takamine's work...I can't imagine Jol and Frank would let someone else build something and put Hamer USA on the headstock.BP
markman Posted June 18, 2005 Author Posted June 18, 2005 http://www.stutzmansguitarcenter.com/index...=used_inventory
Bob P Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 Markman... I'm trying to view the guitar but the link takes me to the main Used/Vintage page. Either their website is extremely slow or my computer is very slow. As soon as the page comes up I will let you know.Any possibility that this is a 1992? What is the serial number? A 2002 should have a serial number in the 251XXX range.
markman Posted June 18, 2005 Author Posted June 18, 2005 No he told me it was a 2002, I guess I should have asked for a serial number.
Bob P Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 Finally got through. Judging by their Fender ads, it seems their inventory numbers are the guitar serial numbers. That one is 436664 which would put it right in the middle of Daytona/T51 production (1994-36664 guitar built by Hamer). Still, that is a good price but I don't think it is a 2002 custom (I could be wrong).Good luck in whatever you decide.BP
Guitarseh Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 Hmm. Looks like a string tree in the pic, which is unusual for a USA, although since the tuners are not the usual staggered Sperzels, that would explain that too. Also, I think they quit making Daytonas in 1997, along with the rest of the bolt-on stuff. Would they even be tooled up to do a Daytona in 2002?Pics of the front and back of the headstock would help: look for the USA under the logo on the front, and a serial number stamped into the wood on the back.It could be an import with mods, or a USA customized. Hard to tell so far.Good luck,MarkB
hardheartedbill Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 IMO the dealer is selling a fish story, total BS , that is a 1994 Daytona if the serial # is correct, it also looks like it has different bridge saddles, are there better pics available?
markman Posted June 18, 2005 Author Posted June 18, 2005 Ya, I forgot he said it was made from parts they had at the factory that were never used. That might explain the 2002 date? I just turned 50 and they say the mind is one of the first things to go. I guess there not lying!
hardheartedbill Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 well, Kaman is a big corp, but it seems to me that Takamine is in Japan and Hamer usa parts are in CT, but who knows
atquinn Posted June 18, 2005 Posted June 18, 2005 The bridge on that Daytona isn't the Wilkinson. As far as I can see, that's not a bridge Hamer ever used on their US guitar, so why would they have one lying around in their factory? I'm guessing that guitar is an import. And since that price isn't a great deal even if it is a USA Daytona, I'd stay away far away.-Austin
holLoWskull Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I inquired about that same guitar almost 4 months ago and decided to pass. Interestingly enough the story back then was that it was specially made for and owned by a Hamer sales rep (no name given of course). I do not know the people at the store, so I won't bad mouth them, but the story I got on it was different then what they told you. I will say that the salesperson I spoke with (I think the manager actually) did NOT mention at all that it was made by\for anyone from Takamine. Honest mistake...maybe, deliberate change of story...perhaps. Still, the guitar seems like a fair deal for a 1994 model (going by the serial # only) and might be something genuinely rare if it is what they claim it to be???
Improviser Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Hi Guys, I contacted Stutzmans about this guitar a while ago as well... I was told that it was put together by an ex-Hamer employee from leftover parts. The guitar has Dimarzio pickups (they didn't know what type), non-Wilkinson bridge, is not drilled for and has no back plate, and come in a gig bag. The price seemed a little steep to me considering all this.Hope this helps.Geoff
markman Posted June 20, 2005 Author Posted June 20, 2005 Thanks for all the info. I am going to talk to the store again this morning, as I didn't have alot of time to talk to them Saturday. They claim the Daytona as near mint condition with a hard shell case.
Hamer95USA Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Hey Markman, I would hold off on that guitar. The neck looks correct, but has a string tree on the headstock. The original Daytonas never had a string tree on the headstock. Are the original Sperzel locking tuners installed on the guitar? The bridge is wrong as well. The original bridge is a Wilkinson, not a bridge with graphite saddles. Are the pickups Seymour Duncan Alnico IIs? Is the body made of ash? In all honesty, that guitar has a lot of red flags on it and I would pass on it, if I was a prospective buyer. I wouldn't trust a seller trying to pass off a Hamer USA Daytona guitar with unoriginal parts.We have a seller named M. Chops on this messageboard who is selling a real clean Hamer USA Daytona with all of its original parts minus the Bill Lawrence pickups. Here is the link: http://hamermusuem.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=731 http://www.hamerfanclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2579Try contacting M.Chops before you buy that hacked up wanna be Daytona, you'll thank us later. Good luck on your search!! Guitar George
serial Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Agreed. It's a parts guitar. I'd go with one with a pedigree from an HFCer here wayyy before getting one of these. There were probably one or two leftover Daytonas in parts that probably got cobbled together after the bolt ons were discontinued.
morningstar Posted June 21, 2005 Posted June 21, 2005 Silentman (Lou) did some research n a Cali he bought from me and it was indeed assembled in 1997 from parts made at the old plant in 1996.I would agree that trust on something like this should be restricted to HFC and others with whom one has a sterling preexisting relationship.Bob's 1996 trans red alder Daytona gives me a bone. Too bad I am outta cash presently. Alder rules.morningstar
bn1712 Posted August 8, 2006 Posted August 8, 2006 This guitar reappeared on Craigslist for $425. Is it true that it is a parts guitar? If so, why does it have a serial number? I guess they stamp those before the guitars are assembled?
Bob P Posted August 8, 2006 Posted August 8, 2006 This guitar reappeared on Craigslist for $425. Is it true that it is a parts guitar? If so, why does it have a serial number? I guess they stamp those before the guitars are assembled? The serial numbers are stamped after the necks have been fretted and carved/prior to going into the spray booth (in other words- WAY before the guitars are assembled). Morningstar/Silentman- regarding the Cali assembled in 1997, I would guess that is a bolt on...Is that true???
silentman Posted August 9, 2006 Posted August 9, 2006 Yes, It was a bolt-on Cali Elite in trans red/cherry.
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