What kind of these bridges softly for bending and long sustain?

[ton13]

What kind of these bridges softly for bending and long sustain when use same string size ?

Thanks.....

[silentman]

All your base are belong to us.

[burningyen]

I think what ton13 is asking is which of those bridges would have long sustain while allowing string bends without too much left hand effort. I don't have any experience with string-through-body designs other than on my Tele, but of the other three, I would pick the tunomatic-and-stoptail design. The locking nuts on Floyd guitars in particular make bends near the nut a real pain for me.

[Feynman]

I'd vote:

[ton13]

Thanks for opinions... Cause I need to know for knowledge but cant change my bridge.. Now I use floyd rose but I lock the push system like Fender tremolo and play on .010 - .046 .. that give very good sustain & big sound for me but It comes with hard bending ( I'm amateur ) for Example "Sweet child o mine" solo in the of bending Continuously part... I can't

[Feynman]

I think the real answer is 'practice' though.

[ton13]

I think the real answer is 'practice' though.

That is the most accurate.

Thanks...

[JohnnyB]

I agree with Feynman. The best termination to get both sustain and pitch shift on bends would be the tunamatic/stoptail combination.

For bends alone the wraptail (not one of the nominees) would have to be the best from a pure physics standpoint because every bit of the string bend translates into pitch shift because the overall string length and vibrating string length are nearly identical.

[murkat]

The longer the string, the less tension.

So,

on a 24, 3/4 scale,

if you have a bridge / tail piece combo,

the added string length between the bridge and tail piece

will make the string "looser"... easier to bend, less tension.

That is why some players top wrap on there T/P's on les Pauls.

[JohnnyB]

The longer the string, the less tension.

So,

on a 24, 3/4 scale,

if you have a bridge / tail piece combo,

the added string length between the bridge and tail piece

will make the string "looser"... easier to bend, less tension.

That is why some players top wrap on there T/P's on les Pauls.

It'll be easier to bend, but you won't get as much shift in pitch which is the reason you bend a string in the first place. With a wraptail bridge every bit of bend results in noticeable change in pitch because the bridge and string termination are at nearly the same point. Not so if there's much string length behind the bridge or the break angle is shallow as when you top-wrap the stop tail.

[cynic]

I own a couple wrap tails and while I really like them I just can't convince myself I feel or hear a difference between them and a stop tail. If the scales are the same, nearly 100% of the vibration occurs over the same length of string regardless of termination point, and that length of string should be at equal tension if both tuned to the same pitch, shouldn't it? I've read all the arguments saying this isn't true, but none of them ever helped me feel a difference.

This is one of those things that some may notice, but I never have. From that alone, my simple-minded way of thinking tells me it's not enough difference to be overly concerned with.

[JohnnyB]

I own a couple wrap tails and while I really like them I just can't convince myself I feel or hear a difference between them and a stop tail. If the scales are the same, nearly 100% of the vibration occurs over the same length of string regardless of termination point, and that length of string should be at equal tension if both tuned to the same pitch, shouldn't it? I've read all the arguments saying this isn't true, but none of them ever helped me feel a difference.

This is one of those things that some may notice, but I never have. From that alone, my simple-minded way of thinking tells me it's not enough difference to be overly concerned with.

I can see where you might not notice much/any difference in bending from a wraptail or a tuna/stoptail, but to see what I'm talking about, try doing bends on a guitar with significant amount of string length past the bridge, such as a Casino, ES-175, or any number of jazz boxes. On some of these you can bend a string to the edge of the fretboard and only get a whole step pitch change, where you'd get a major third on a wraptail. Also, wound strings don't change pitch near as much as plain steel. For the ultimate frustration, try doing blues bends on a jazz box with a wound G-string. You'll get 1/2 step at most.