Reverb pedal behavior question.

[tomteriffic]

I haven't had a reverb pedal in eons, since every amp I use either has it or doesn't need it (like little tweed jobs that just want to be thrashed as they are).  But... I'm considering one for a reverb-less amp.  The last time I had one, I plugged in and things were peachy, just a little bit of air on the clean channel.  As soon as I went to the gainy channel, the reverb became overwhelming, miles too much (even for me), even though I had changed nothing on the pedal itself.

Am I in for the same experience pretty much across the board or was this a fluke?   FWIW, the pedal was an early Holy Grail and the amp was a first-generation Subway Rocket w/no reverb.

[murkat]

up front or in a loop?

Loop,` neunaber slate. with the slate, you can program to be just about any neunaber pedal and then some.

Up front, I have no fookin idea

[triodecr]

12 hours ago, tomteriffic said:

I haven't had a reverb pedal in eons, since every amp I use either has it or doesn't need it (like little tweed jobs that just want to be thrashed as they are).  But... I'm considering one for a reverb-less amp.  The last time I had one, I plugged in and things were peachy, just a little bit of air on the clean channel.  As soon as I went to the gainy channel, the reverb became overwhelming, miles too much (even for me), even though I had changed nothing on the pedal itself.

Am I in for the same experience pretty much across the board or was this a fluke?   FWIW, the pedal was an early Holy Grail and the amp was a first-generation Subway Rocket w/no reverb.

This is what I have experienced with a reverb pedal in front of the amp.  It happens because of the compression that occurs with cascaded gain stages in the drive channel or when you have the reverb before your drive pedal on your pedal board.  I've minimized it by putting my reverb pedal at the end of my board.  

The best solution would be an amp with channel assignable loop volume levels to compensate, or internal reverb with reverb level controls for each channel. 

  

[tbonesullivan]

If its got a loop, I would see if you can put it in there. As far as I know the holy grail can work in the loop without issues. Some have said there is a slight volume decrease when using it.

the problem that happens though is that depending on how the loop is setup, when you go to the lead channel, sometimes the signal will be a lot hotter. MB however designs their loops well, so I would think the overall level in the loop would be the same for both channels.

[Jakeboy]

I use a Strymon Flint in front of my amps all the time. When I step on a pedal for more gain or crank up the amp, I usually turn the mix knob down a bit so it isn't overbearing.

[bubs_42]

22 hours ago, tbonesullivan said:

If its got a loop, I would see if you can put it in there. As far as I know the holy grail can work in the loop without issues. Some have said there is a slight volume decrease when using it.

the problem that happens though is that depending on how the loop is setup, when you go to the lead channel, sometimes the signal will be a lot hotter. MB however designs their loops well, so I would think the overall level in the loop would be the same for both channels.

Add a buffer that will fix it. As for running out front, they just don't play that nice with both channels. I've tried a few but got the same results. I have been wanting to try the Fuchs Reverb Pedal but haven't had a reason since its built into my amp and works amazing with both channels. 

Now if your using delay, then try a Flashback and when you edit it via the software you can add a little reverb. 

[tbonesullivan]

Well, running out front means that you'll put the reverb before any overdrive, so it gets overdriven as well.  To add confusion, some pedals have mix controls, while others do not. Some effects loops also are series, and some are parallel, and some have their own mix controls.

I really start to see why a lot of people just go for the all-in-one solutions from Line 6, Boss, Zoom, etc for live stuff. Just that much simpler to have everything controlled through one interface.

[murkat]

effects loop. no longer rocket science to do on an amp anymore.

Metroplex offers the best drop in mod fx loop.