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Are these collectable Hamer's fairly easy to resale? I doubt this is going to double in price in the next 10 years, and assuming it would be for someone's collection, and that it sounds and plays like the typical $3000 Standard. What's the highest priced non artist associated Hamer that you've seen? Is there a Holy Grail? Like with the original Gibson Explorer and Flying V guitars? I personally do not know what the low serial # 70's Hamer's go for. Sure it's a lot. Hamer was a bad ass mutha of a company back in the day high priced Hamer

Hung out with Ace and Sebastian Bach on a flight from Detroit to Japan in 2001. Sabastian is extremely funny but Ace is one cool cat. I got some candid thoughts from him on a lot of topics.

Some guitars have a sweet tone, this one is refined to a specific fruit. Winner! If you had a lot of guitars, it would be nice to have a few with unusual personality.

Great tone. IMO, Brad Gillis had the best live tone of any Ozzie guitarist. Your guitar sounds like Alder, definitely not Mahogany which is more piercing and dynamic. Nice smooth sound for that song.

There seems to be a decent sized group of metal heads in the mid 40's to early to mid 50's. I have just about dropped out of keeping up with things, but I can nearly age someone within 2 years by their influences around those years. For instance my brother is 2 1/2 years older but was 14 in 1978 to my 81. So he absorbed more of the 70's Hard Rock/Metal than I did. He absorbed more pre Van Halen bands like Aerosmith, Black Sabath, Zepplin the Who etc. So he was into to these alums new, when I fit them in with the knew stuff of the early 80's. I am light years away from the awareness of music, especially how it effects the musicianship of just 2 1/2 years. Today I can blink my eyes and 3 years are gone! Back then Music was indeed the soundtrack of my life. Not I listen and write from memory of those years.

Agreed. I moved to L.A. County in '87 and the hair bands and hair metal was in full swing. It made for decent background music or whatever, but was never a style I could strap the headphones on and get lost in. Yeah I hate that Hair Metal, but loved the earlier La or Glam Metal that had little to do with hair and more about catchy tunes and chops. I agree with anyone who rightly criticizes what it became, which had a lot to do with the proximity of the record labels imo, but not the first wave. Ratt, Motley Crue, Dokken and many others were some of the most melodic metal out there pre 86. I loved that whole sound around 84. It was pop metal, and it got out of hand unfortunately. But some of the best metal guitarist came out of that area, and the early productions were great. Invasion of your Privacy is a good example from Bue Hill. The suits tried to milk it and it became an embarrassment. The term Hair Metal was a derogatory label, but the bands have embarrassed it as long as it gives them some press.

Fender Stratocaster 1976, Swamp Ash, Natural wood, white pick-guard, Maple neck and fret, built in stratoblaster preamp go for around $2600 today. One of the best 70's model's according to a guitar mag. Paid around $400 in 1984 from the Atlanta Music Store. 80's BC Rich ST 3 Hot Pink worth over a grand I think, paid $300 in the mid 90's

One important moment was when I turned on MTV-X for some metal in 2001 and it was now MTV Jams. That seems to be my breaking point and maybe others too. It seems like that around 2000 that everything was rap and/or R&B influenced. Even the television commercials had rap beats in the background. Pop metal bands were rapping. So maybe some of us would have stayed in the game a few more years if not for this over representation of urban R&B and Rap in the early 2000's, which imo was one of the low points in music history. I actually liked gangster rap in small doses in the mid 90's, but the entire music scene was turned urban and forced into everything in a short time span from 1995 to 2000. It was overkill of P Diddy and sir mix a lot. Limp Biscuit, which now I actually like was the first heavy popular band that I just felt too old to be a part of in my early 30's. This also coincided with the appearance of the term Hair Band. So not only was everything changing but earlier stuff was mocked and avoided (see Some Kind of Monster). Then these Blink 82 type punk bands start showing up and the cycle was complete, and I was purged.

For me, and through research many other people was 34. I can look at the pop charts from 2000 back to 1963 (not born yet) and recognize the artists, cannot do that now unless it's tabloid personalities. The last album's that I purchased in the same manner as when I was 16 was Garbage 2.0, Filter and Type O Negatives World Coming Down and Rush Vapor trails, then I started downloading stuff occasionally and finally was purged out of the pop scene via age and music becoming unfamiliar. Music always evolved and I kept up, but at some point I just jumped off the train. One thing of note, I turned on a nu metal station the other day and it still sounds like it did 8 years ago. It must have hit a brick wall.

I posted this on the Tesla Simplicity thread. My thoughts on it. I have been pondering recently on the part about understanding how a genre evolved leads to better appreciation. If you have no idea how some music evolved, then it will sound foreign to you off the bat. So if you totally stop listening to the radio for 10 years, you may have a hard time adjusting. Remember the scene from Back to Future where Michael J. has them rocking until he starts tearing into EVH, Hendrix stuff and the room is dumbfounded? He says something like "Oh, you guys aren't there yet". That says a lot about a 70 year old not liking 20 something music in general, standards aside.

Time for the entire system to go full circle. We have our fill of cloned unsold cheap, compromised guitars to last til Armageddon. As a small business owner, I am very happy to see this, especially someone from Hamer. I played a 3 string electric guitar that a neighbor build made from an old cigar box, a drain, a threaded bolt for strings and a good neck that got my creative forces flowing more that 90% of the guitars hanging in our local guitar stores.

Great tip above. Dio is one of those rarities, like Peter Steel, both RIP, where their approval rating is around 99%. Blabbermouth for instance, if they are the subject, all the posts are positive.

Rock n' Roll Children, which you know is a staple came from that along with a few other songs that sound like mid tier from the 1st two. Dio said that Viv had already mentally checked out while making it. It was well written,and I bought and liked it, but Viv seemed to have less energy. Is Evil Eyes on the next album? If so, Ronnie came back strong, but i never got over the departure of Viv.

huh? what, the short hair? wish i was that tall & skinny. and talented. i love the sound of the early dio albums, very crisp. viv never shined like he did on those records. def lep?!? ozzy era sabs is my all time fave music; ozzy w/ randy, dio era sabs, and the early dio band is also way up there. ozzy is indeed super distinct in his voice quality, phrasing, and melodies; that is why he is so iconic & successful. ozzy is NOT pitch perfect, just listen to "warning" off the 1st sabs album, or any bootlegs/untouched live vids. vinny appice is a fantastic drummer because of his huge relaxed backbeat, it smooths out the feel and is super unusual in metal. I kind of over played my hand with the pitch perfect, and repeatedly narrowed his true talents to phrasing, melodies and distinction, but that was also disputed. Ozzie does a good job of hitting notes, but they are usually not complicated. And yes, he was pitchy with Sabath, but it actually enhanced it imo. Imperfection makes music organic, which is why I dislike the ability to perfect everything these days. But I am gald that someone else see's Ozzie's unique and great intangibles. No matter what musical arrangement he sang to, his contribution's to the final work was at top tier level vs.his peers.

Seems like they recorded a European and USA concerts for VHS in 84-85. They only released the USA version in the states. The European concert seemed to be at the beginning of the tour and the Spectrum concert later. I didn't get to see the Euro concert until a couple of years ago, and it looks like Viv was playing that same Les Paul. Dio sounded better in the Euro concert, but Viv was better in the USA, which I attribute to the moths of touring in between. He was on fire in Phil and playing the famous one pup white Charvel........with Whammy.

I know it does with many, but since I am not a reseller, I could care less about dings, and would happily pay less for a guitar with superficial flaws. With the dings, you got a steal. And it's the Aztec Gold natural look, my personal favorite.

I agree that he looks good with short hair, intelligent. He was so fast with Dio that I would think it would be very hard at his age to obtain that adrenaline laced speed. I can actually see what he's doing now, which isn't overly complicated, it was just ungodly fast and tasteful. He seems stronger with his left hand than right, I remember Viv doing long runs up the neck without even picking. It is a treat seeing him together with Vinnie, they pretty much set the tone, and I believe Vinnie Appice was invaluable to Dio after they established the classic Dio groove. If I could have two more metal albums it would have been Viv with Dio and Ozzie with Jake E. Lee. Maybe George with Dokken running close.

Just to show my sincerity at respecting differing opinions and for your entertainment, I present to you 10 minutes with Gene Simmons and NPR's Terri Gross(Fresh Air).

Yes.10 Top 40 Singles: KISSsingles.jpg Like I mentioned early, I have never met a good musician that was inspired by Kiss past the age of puberty. I know a few KISS-inspired musicians on this board who would likely shred your nuts of with their playing; that's good enough for me... Just not you, your big brother. That's because I charge for my guitar lessons...

Yes.10 Top 40 Singles: KISSsingles.jpg Like I mentioned early, I have never met a good musician that was inspired by Kiss past the age of puberty. I know a few KISS-inspired musicians on this board who would likely shred your nuts of with their playing; that's good enough for me... Just not you, your big brother. i have tried to get the subject back on course, let's do it. It's all opinion on art, which can be subjective, so let's get back to Viv. Truce?

And damn quick I might add, 3 minutes from post to post. I'm bored at work. Is that OK? The net is great for a slow workday. I am trying to play Detroit Rock City Right from memory now for the heck of it. The A to open g thing then E to F then G is a pretty cool riff. Or is it B and A then to G. I think the song changes pitch later or something. They both sound right. na na na na na na na na na dom dom.......dom dom....

And damn quick I might add, 3 minutes from post to post. Let's get back to Dio and Viv. Kiss is just a love or hate band, wasn't aware til now that it is the same with Ozzie. Maybe Sharon is the link between the two, she's Gene's type, cosmetic surgery and all.

"Dimebag" Darrell Abbott and Garth Brooks, for starters. I would wager thousands were inspired by KISS to take up music. Highly specious, but I was certainly floored by Merciful Fate/KD. Hank Sherman is the man. Being from Denmark is something they had no control over, unfortunately. Kind Diamond's music stood out like a sore thumb. The first time I heard them was on Head bangers ball and I had the cassette the next day. Then backtracked back to Merciful Fate. I like that they are from Denmark, and the whole Viking lore. The folks who actually discovered America a couple of centuries before Columbus but the group died out. I would compliment him on his pipes and pitch, but probably not a good idea with the people following this thread.

Yes.10 Top 40 Singles: KISSsingles.jpg I edited the post, just to mean spirited. Christina Aquilaria had songs on the chart a few years back that sounded like fingernails on a chalk board, you do not hear them anymore. That's what I am talking about. Style over substance lacks staying power. Sure they have their concert side, but the songs have always been very shallow imo. They are not a bands band. Google "Kiss Sucks" if you get a chance. You will not see that many foul opinions on very many bands. Like I mentioned early, I have never met a good musician that was inspired by Kiss past the age of puberty. The gap between Kiss and Rush, the band I grew up as my favorite, is light and day with respect from their peers. And which musician's were inspired by Kiss? I would think more musicians were inspired by King Diamond, whom Gene sued and made change his makeup design, over Kiss. And they are from Viking land.

I think this is mainly a semantic argument at this point. To say Ozzy was a great singer and Ray Gillen was not seems backward to me. I am not claiming fact, but my opinion. Ozzie is the perfect person when countering generic. His voice is clear, appealing, unique, and pitch perfect. I have yet to hear anyone that sounds like Ozzie, same with Jake and Viv, they all had distinctive style. So this is semantic, but I could probably find singers similar in tone and timbre to Gillen and few if any that sound like Ozzie. I guess you either love or hate Ozzie, but the dude has some pipes. has unique phrasing and melodies.and that perfect pitch sound is awesome. See how many Gillen singing melodies you have memorized vs Ozzie. Just want to make clear that I believe both those guys are good, but not at the top tier level. Jake and Vivian's bands might have been more successful if they had not been in their prior bands. What?!??!? Ozzy? Pipes? Perfect pitch? I'm not an Ozzy hater but I never thought I'd see those terms used to describe his singing! Strong pipes and hitting notes. Not to mention the distinctiveness of his sound. Come on! Are you serious that you never heard that associated with Ozzie? My conclusion is that Ozzie makes it sound too simple. Find me a Ozzie Cover band in the meantime, let's see how easy it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbwxGBh-AbE You do realize that is a dubbed vocal right? Was it processed? You would be deaf not to hear the stereo layer. Not sure if it is done with a live effect or later, but he's singing live, so what? He tapered this down during the next few years, but I like it. Do you not see any greatness in the melodies that Ozzie puts on top of his music? If not, we just have different ears for music. Just out of curiosity, what were your favorite bands growing up. Some influences. Someone here can correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe the dub was done post-concert. It seems a relevant point to make as it appeared you were using that clip to underscore your point of Ozzy having strong pipes and hitting notes... There are several live Ozzy clips others have posted that demonstrate a much different result with regard to hitting notes and such. This isn't an indictment of Ozzy - I am a fan - Black Sabbath through Blizzard, Diary of a Madman, BATM... My favorite bands varied growing up - Anything from Zeppelin, AC/DC, KISS, Van Halen to Earth Wind & Fire. Influences are WIDE ranging and include artists known more for songwriting (including my favorite bands) and others known more for instrumental work... Kiss, that figures and I don't debate talent with people that worshiped Kiss. This isn't really much of a debate and I do not worship KISS or any other band for that matter... Subjective and you have a picture of Kiss hanging in your bathroom right now. Edit Add. Kiss is about the only pop metal band that you don't ever hear on the radio, not even classic rock radio.