Ebay transaction. Am I in the wrong?

[Sitamoia50]

I have a question for people on this forum. I'm bringing it up here because this is the one forum I respect. O.K., here's the deal. I listed a 1 day auction on ebay, a very nice ESP traditional strat (400 series). It went up 2 Thursdays ago and under the buy it now I put the immediate payment option. O.K. A guy calls me says he really wants it but dont have the cash at the moment (he sold a few things also and was awaiting payment) he wont have it till the next day. I email him back and tell him if he's really serious I will change the whole auction and he can pay me when he gets the money the next day. So I change the auction, he clicks the buy it now (by the way it was a great price for the guitar $425, i actually paid a bit more on ebay but i took the loss cus I needed the money). He emails me Saturday tells me he doesnt have it, probably wont be till Monday. O.K. So I'll have to wait till Monday. In the meantime i bought a guitar on ebay Saturday, I used the buy it now and told the guy he would be payed Monday. Anyways the payment never comes Monday so I have to put my buyer off till i get paid. I end up getting paid on Tuesday. I thank the guy for the payment and pay for the guitar I bought. O.K, here comes the "so called problem". I listed it as a 1 day auction 2 Thursdays ago because I would be on vacation the next week and that is where I ship all my ebay stuff from so I figured it would close on Friday and i could ship it the next day and all would be well. Well the auction ended up a little different because i didnt receive the payment till Tuesday of the next week so I made a special trip into work Friday to ship the guitar out. I ended up shipping it priority so the guy would get it in bout 3 days, I then emailed him the tracking #'s He emails me today totally pissed off because I supposedly dragged my heels and took my time shipping it, shipped it when I wanted, blah blah He mails me the payment on a Tuesday, I ship the guitar out 3 days later Friday. I usually ship things out the next day but this time I was on vacation and was super busy. I did go out of my way to go into work on Friday just to ship the damn thing. I change the whole auction for this guy so he can pay me "when it's convenient for him", Ship it out 3 days after payment and I'm a friggin jerk. The funny part of the whole thing is, I paid for my guitar Tuesday when I got paid, the guy also shipped mine out Friday. So we'll both get our guitars tomorrow. I'm overjoyed, He's pissed, What am i missing????? Sheesh, You bend over for someone, ship in what i dont see as an untimely manner and I'm getting a slew of shit from this guy. Probably going to get a Negative from him. He already Threatened to send guitar back to me and ask for payment back or go to ebay or something. Jeez, Im still sitting here trying to figure out what i did wrong. I think ebay would laugh this one out of the complaint dept. Ive waited a heck of a lot longer for guitars than this. So, am I in the wrong or what. Was 3 days too long? Just what is timely shipping? Sorry for the long post, But just wanted to get some feedback..........p.s. On ebay I have 100% rating from 32 transactions, have had nothing but great transactions and even made a few friends from ebay, I'm just kinda shocked i guess. Am i missing something? Any suggestions?

[kurtsstuff]

Usual e-bay dickhead...Be on the lookout for when he recieves the guitar and "something" won't be as was described and he'll probably want a "partial" payment or some shit like that..it's called e-bay extortion and he'll threaten with bad feedback blah,blah...By what you've described...I see something like that coming..

[DavidE]

The guy's a schmuck.

[Sitamoia50]

The guy's a schmuck.

LMAO!!!

[Guest pirateflynn]

Yeah, when a guy starts out by asking you to change the conditions of your auction and that he doesn't even have $425, that's trouble. Just do your best to smooth it over and then never deal with that kind of clown again. Best of luck with it.

[straightblues]

What I have learned from being in business for myself, the ones who whine and want special stuff up front, almost always want special stuff in the end. I have a policy now that nobody gets special consideration. If they ask for it I run the other way. I really hope this works out for you. 3 days to ship is totally reasonable. He is an a-hole it isn't you.

[cmatthes]

One time is all the lesson I'd need. F him.

[marcnorth]

Total asshole, tell him to get bent.

[atquinn]

Jeez, Im still sitting here trying to figure out what i did wrong.

What you did wrong was not telling the guy to f*ck off in the first place in my opinion . Also, I don't see how the fact that you weren't paid right away should entitle you to delay paying for an item you won in another auction? As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't bid on something if you can't pay for it as soon as the auction is completed, be it a regular auction or a buy-it-now situation, but that's just me.

-Austin

[tafkathundernotes]

Something to keep in mind: No good deed goes un-punished!

You tried your best. This guy doesn't have his shit together enough to throw it on a credit card or borrow the money from somebody. That's a clue that almost nobody thinks he's worth a damn. If the people he knows can't trust him, why should you? I don't even answer such requests any more. I changed an auction to accommodate somebody once, and it turned out to be a big hassle.

Now you need to digest your insanely long post into 80 characters to leave it as feedback. Good luck.

[Sitamoia50]

Jeez, Im still sitting here trying to figure out what i did wrong.

What you did wrong was not telling the guy to f*ck off in the first place in my opinion . Also, I don't see how the fact that you weren't paid right away should entitle you to delay paying for an item you won in another auction? As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't bid on something if you can't pay for it as soon as the auction is completed, be it a regular auction or a buy-it-now situation, but that's just me.

-Austin

Actually, let me clarify. when I won the auction for the guitar I bought he had listed "payment due within 7 days", so I was well within those 7 days. I won my auction on Saturday and just happened to email him to let him know I'd be paying him Monday, figuring I'd have his payment by then. I ended up paying him Tuesday. I had 7 days from Saturday to pay him, which even If the guy didnt pay me I would have taken it out of my paycheck Thursday anyways. So I would have beem alright either way and it would have been paid for. I would never bid on an auction without being able to cover it by the due date. That would have kinda made this whole thread a mute point. I dont do that sort of stuff. I try to do things in a timely and reasonable fashion which I thought I had done with my auction and I'm getting nothing but S**T !. I mean Jeez, He got a nice guitar for a nice price, paid when he had the money,and I shipped in 3 days. But that is my question I guess out of all this. Is shipping in 3 days reasonable or does he have a reasonable gripe?

Something to keep in mind: No good deed goes un-punished!

Now you need to digest your insanely long post into 80 characters to leave it as feedback. Good luck.

Ha!, I was already thinking about that if I have to send this same kinda response to ebay if he sends in a complaint. Although I cant imagine what He'd write to ebay. What would he say "Hey this guy's a jerk, he didnt mail my guitar out till 3 days after the payment". After some of the ebay horror stories Ive heard, they'd probably think It's a joke..... Although with my luck.......

[elduave]

If your end of the deal is done, block his bidder ID/e-mails so you're not bothered with his bullshit, save a transcript of your communications, if he leaves negative feedback take it, reply to your negative (on *your* feedback log) saying something like "unreasonable ebayer-transcript available", drop a neg on him calmly and succintly telling others that he's unreasonable in however many characters you're allowed and move on.

[cmatthes]

If you waited that long for him to pay, he can cool his heels until the damned thing gets to him.

I'd move on and not worry about it at all.

[Caddie]

Tip of the hat to The Sopranos: fugidaboudid. Ignore the inevitable & silly emails you will receive from this guy. If you respond you're just giving him the attention that his mommy didn't give him when he scraped his elbow the first time he fell off his bike.

He might flame you on eBay feedback. bfd. Flame him back if you like until you two hit the eBay feedback limits. Who cares if the neg fback turns your 100% into 99.3%. What?, future employers are gonna check your eBay rating before they hire you? Do enough eBay, eventually you are bound to bump into a psycho.

If you are even on dollars & gear then put this deal behind you. Say buh bye & fugidaboudid.

noonan

ps - for future ref. buy from someone local so that you can inspect the gear before the cash is handed over. Even better, buy from a local "bricks & mortar" shop. They have real skin in the game, but the cybergoofs can vanish in an instant.

[tubesrus]

Tip of the hat to The Sopranos: fugidaboudid. Ignore the inevitable & silly emails you will receive from this guy. If you respond you're just giving him the attention that his mommy didn't give him when he scraped his elbow the first time he fell off his bike.

He might flame you on eBay feedback. bfd. Flame him back if you like until you two hit the eBay feedback limits. Who cares if the neg fback turns your 100% into 99.3%. What?, future employers are gonna check your eBay rating before they hire you? Do enough eBay, eventually you are bound to bump into a psycho.

If you are even on dollars & gear then put this deal behind you. Say buh bye & fugidaboudid.

noonan

ps - for future ref. buy from someone local so that you can inspect the gear before the cash is handed over. Even better, buy from a local "bricks & mortar" shop. They have real skin in the game, but the cybergoofs can vanish in an instant.

All this reminds me of several recent doingss on ebay. I was ripped off by a guy who ran up a high feedback score by selling baseball card for about 75 cents each, he sent me a non-working item, about $125, had promised refund to anyone not satisfies, ect. I thought it was an honest foul up and applied for a refund from payapl which I eventually recieved. I thought the guy had died or something,but I caught on to the fact that he was still selling on ebay and had simply changed paypal accounts, when I notified paypal the aparently shup him down, not before he robbed some old lady of her christmas cash. I think he was expecting to be able to sell a lot more before being shut down, I read about software being marketeted that looks for these trends.

The other item is I exchanged emails with a guy who sold me a couple of NOS military grade 12at7's, I was stunned to find that he had mailed the tubes before my postal money order reached him, something made him feel I was honest. He and ebay are suing a person who buys items and then claims to not have recieved them, he was basicially harassing sellers until they gave him free stuff.

My take is that this guy is trying to extort you, you're allowed a couple of business days to arrange shipping, also you're entitled to make sure a paypal payment clears your bank before shipping, I stipulated that on a recent sale of vintahe hi-fi gear because I thought it might go overseas. The buyer ended up being a us resident with lots of paypal and ebay history so I sent it off, I'll know in a couple of days if it worked out. I thimk you have two choices, stand firm or call his bluff by offering a refund for everything but the shipping.

[Sitamoia50]

If your end of the deal is done, block his bidder ID/e-mails so you're not bothered with his bullshit, save a transcript of your communications, if he leaves negative feedback take it, reply to your negative (on *your* feedback log) saying something like "unreasonable ebayer-transcript available", drop a neg on him calmly and succintly telling others that he's unreasonable in however many characters you're allowed and move on.

Actually, I was just about to take your advice and do just that when i received an email from him. He apologized, explained to me he sold his only guitar to buy this one and had a paying gig he missed because he only lived a few states over and thought he would have it. Being a musician for 30 yrs. and many paying gigs, I do understand his fustration and I feel better now that he finally "cooled his heels" Lol. Went on to say a negative would only be a lose/lose situation which is so true. Anyways, thanks for the suggestions I can tell just by reading the thread you guys have been around the block on ebay a few hundred times. I hear the horror stories on ebay and I just did not see what the deal was with this one. As risky as ebay can be I have got some seriously great deals on some seriously high quality guitars.

[Luke]

I would never consider altering the terms of my auction.

[DavidE]

A gigging musician who owns one guitar? And doesn't have a friend he could borrow one from to play a gig?

[Sitamoia50]

A gigging musician who owns one guitar? And doesn't have a friend he could borrow one from to play a gig?

Believe me I thought that was somewhat strange myself. At this point, just happy this stupid ass thing is coming to a close. He should get it today, as I type this I'm waiting for a guitar to come in off the truck and all will be well in the world.......

[elduave]

A gigging musician who owns one guitar? And doesn't have a friend he could borrow one from to play a gig?

They exist. We have one around here. Old blues guy...

[straightblues]

This one isn't over yet. The guitar hasn't arrived and it he hasn't left you feedback. It won't be over until both are done. Whatever you do, do not leave your feedback first.

[Turdus]

What I have learned from being in business for myself, the ones who whine and want special stuff up front, almost always want special stuff in the end. I have a policy now that nobody gets special consideration. If they ask for it I run the other way. I really hope this works out for you. 3 days to ship is totally reasonable. He is an a-hole it isn't you.

Ironic timing on this post, lol. I have a guitar on Ebay. A guy just emailed me, telling me that if I lower my BIN by $100, he'll buy it. He states that the imperfections I list in the auction, while no big deal to him, lower the value of the guitar.