atquinn Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 The AV Club had a link to this today. Pretty cool.http://www.mapofmetal.com/#/home-Austin
BubbaVO Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 That ... is ... awesome!!!! Every category I could come up with is covered and then some.
Steve Haynie Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 It is good to know where "depressive black metal" relates to other black metal. Getting depressed when you are not supposed to would be embarrassing.
Steve Haynie Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 I feel so old.Why? Is it because you remember when the Black Sabbath album was new, or is it because you have not kept up with all the derivatives of what we used to call hard rock? Heck, create your own home-brew of metal and make the site's designer do an update.
blackfbiv Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 My 20 y.o. and I get into the whole metal discussion.Apparently Iron Maiden and Judas Preist are NOT metal.. at least not anymore.This map will go a long ways towards educating the lad.When you see the whole tree put down on "paper" like this it sure is neat.Hours of fun ahead... hahahaha
copper blue Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 What? no Repulsion??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repulsion_(band)
diablo175 Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 My 20 y.o. and I get into the whole metal discussion.Apparently Iron Maiden and Judas Preist are NOT metal.. at least not anymore.This map will go a long ways towards educating the lad.When you see the whole tree put down on "paper" like this it sure is neat.Hours of fun ahead... hahahahaWHAT!?! Boy needs some serious edjumacation! Can't separate Priest and Maiden from metal, as they helped define it in the early - mid 80's.
blackfbiv Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 My 20 y.o. and I get into the whole metal discussion. Apparently Iron Maiden and Judas Preist are NOT metal.. at least not anymore. This map will go a long ways towards educating the lad. When you see the whole tree put down on "paper" like this it sure is neat. Hours of fun ahead... hahahaha WHAT!?! Boy needs some serious edjumacation! Can't separate Priest and Maiden from metal, as they helped define it in the early - mid 80's. C'mon his generation invented EVERYTHING!!! Didn't ya know that?
burningyen Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 I feel so old.Why? Is it because you remember when the Black Sabbath album was new, or is it because you have not kept up with all the derivatives of what we used to call hard rock? Heck, create your own home-brew of metal and make the site's designer do an update. Partly because of the second part (haven't kept up) and partly because what little I've heard of modern metal seems so pointless to me. At some point I'll go back and try to listen to some of the sound clips on that map and see if my feelings change.
RacerX Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Great link! Remeinded me of some stuff that I used to know how to play looooog ago. I'm sure I'll spend some time digging into some of the newer stuff too, even though my distaste for cookie-monster vocals will probably show my age... Mark
kevinbower1959 Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Although I can appreciate the work which must have gone into generating this map, as a metal player I absolutely HATE all this genre, sub-genre and sub-sub genre stuff. It's the principal reason why metal as a music form has become totally fragmented and saturated, and the reason why last year alone, there were 4,200 new metal releases on CD in Europe alone. The net result is six or seven record labels, all having about 50 bands each - all of whom each will sell maybe 5,000 units worldwide. It's laughable.The principal problem is that is panders to the fickle, disposable nature of kids who get locked into one particlular genre because it's seen as cool to do so, and therefore won't even listen to anything outside their chosen genre because 'I only like Category 2 Subsection 3 (Part 1) Anti-Emo-Pro-Death-Symphonic-Non-Melodic-Part-Grind-Death-Black-Metalcore-In-C#'. It's also the reason why every time you turn on Scuzz, you'll see a hundred instantly forgettable bands who all look and sound EXACTLY the same - identical triggered kickdrum blastbeats, identical swept guitar arpeggios, identical cookie-monster vox, and so on.Song structure? Originality? Hook? Melody? Feeling? Emotion? Forget it.Rant over.
Steve Haynie Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 That is not a rant, it is just truth. Way back before "heavy metal" was being pushed on us there was just rock music. The heavier, hard rock bands were not yeat divided into a separate heavy metal category. Sammy Hagar was a hard rocker, but not the same as Judas Priest. Even then, Judas Priest was not always playing full-out grinding songs. Remember "Evening Star" and "Last Rose Of Summer"? It was all about writing good music.
BubbaVO Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 It was all about writing good music.Big plus 1. And that is what's going to differentiate the acts that will rise above the crowd and have a real impact.
Steve Haynie Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Sometimes. Some bands that never were that good made it by looking like everyone else and riding a wave.
atquinn Posted February 19, 2011 Author Posted February 19, 2011 Sometimes. Some bands that never were that good made it by looking like everyone else and riding a wave.Anyone who thinks that hasn't always been true at every point in the history of music (or popular entertainment in general) hasn't been paying attention.-Austin
Jason01 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Although I can appreciate the work which must have gone into generating this map, as a metal player I absolutely HATE all this genre, sub-genre and sub-sub genre stuff. It's the principal reason why metal as a music form has become totally fragmented and saturated, and the reason why last year alone, there were 4,200 new metal releases on CD in Europe alone. The net result is six or seven record labels, all having about 50 bands each - all of whom each will sell maybe 5,000 units worldwide. It's laughable.The principal problem is that is panders to the fickle, disposable nature of kids who get locked into one particlular genre because it's seen as cool to do so, and therefore won't even listen to anything outside their chosen genre because 'I only like Category 2 Subsection 3 (Part 1) Anti-Emo-Pro-Death-Symphonic-Non-Melodic-Part-Grind-Death-Black-Metalcore-In-C#'. It's also the reason why every time you turn on Scuzz, you'll see a hundred instantly forgettable bands who all look and sound EXACTLY the same - identical triggered kickdrum blastbeats, identical swept guitar arpeggios, identical cookie-monster vox, and so on.Song structure? Originality? Hook? Melody? Feeling? Emotion? Forget it.Rant over.I appreciated the map because it pointed to other bands in sub genres that I have not heard before. It also helps me to home in on what stuff appeals to me and what doesn't. I love metal but hate cookie monster vocals so pretty much the entire "continent" of black metal is out but there are many sub genres that I do like, not just one. I like pizza but I don't want to eat it every night.
kevinbower1959 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Point taken. I wasn't denegrating anything (nor would I) - but just making the point that a lot of it's become very samey, very formulated and lacking in originality. My band had a hard time securing a deal because we didn't fit into any convenient sub-genre pigeonhole (every song sounds different to the previous one). Now that we are signed, the European press are raving about it, saying it's the best album they've heard for 15 years. Maybe that's precisely because it doesn't sit in any convenient genre - who knows?
diablo175 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Forgive the late weight-in, but as a fan of many types of metal (and rock music in general) and sometime player of, I have watched my beloved metal become overly fragmented, unnecessarily compartmentalized and like Steve Haynie pointed out, saturated with bands riding the latest wave. It's discouraging and frankly, I really don't listen for new material out there because I don't know which sub category to go to. That's just a sad commentary on the music market, our society in general when we need to have music packaged and identified so we don't accidentally listen to <gasp> something new and different! And while I can more or less understand the convenience of being able to go to a particular genre or sub genre to find the style of music I like, ultimately, I think it stymies growth in the development of new music as well as our ability to appreciate said new music.That's my .02.
kevinbower1959 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Forgive the late weight-in, but as a fan of many types of metal (and rock music in general) and sometime player of, I have watched my beloved metal become overly fragmented, unnecessarily compartmentalized and like Steve Haynie pointed out, saturated with bands riding the latest wave. It's discouraging and frankly, I really don't listen for new material out there because I don't know which sub category to go to. That's just a sad commentary on the music market, our society in general when we need to have music packaged and identified so we don't accidentally listen to <gasp> something new and different! And while I can more or less understand the convenience of being able to go to a particular genre or sub genre to find the style of music I like, ultimately, I think it stymies growth in the development of new music as well as our ability to appreciate said new music.That's my .02.+1 and beautifully put, sir.
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