Rodan Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I think of Aerosmith as salvageable through their first 5 records and parts of "Live Bootleg". I only ever saw them after Perry left, the first time. My first real, big concert and I was too starstruck to find any (other) fault. I'd be interested to see footage from their early '70's days... It's probly out there...YouTube...
elduave Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 Interesting reading that the rock in a hard place tour was first time for some of you. Me too. And to add to that unfortunateness the first time I saw joe perry project was on the once a rocker tour.
rj2858 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Here's to hoping that the new album sounds like those two.It won't.Only Aerosmith album I own (and have ever owned) is the Crespo/Dufay release Aside from that album they just never latched onto my pleasure centers.MCChris - this explains soooooooo much as far as the disconnect we seem to have (to me, anyway).For me, A-Smiths first 4 albums were SOLID GOLD. After that, a song here or there, maybe.
rj2858 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Not knowing them personally, I can say that I used to love their music before their Glam Metal comeback. They inspired a lot of musicians and bands, that's for sure.Tyler did Oprah, I missed that too!Please tell me that you didn't mean that last line like it sounded! I think we'd all want to miss that!Reminds me of Tyler guesting on '2 and a Half Men', and Alan saying to him, "Y'know, I lost my virginity to you", and Tyler comes back with "Well, there's a lot of the 70's I don't remember"
Turdus Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Here's to hoping that the new album sounds like those two.It won't.Only Aerosmith album I own (and have ever owned) is the Crespo/Dufay release Aside from that album they just never latched onto my pleasure centers.I've said it before.... I think people tend to relate to a band's lineup (and thus tuneage perhaps) based on when they first discovered the band. That's not a bad thing at all. Just seems to be the way it goes. My real introduction was Toys. First full spin of that one, and I was hooked. Rocks is a powerhouse, and perhaps their best in my opinion. It's just the ulimate hard rock record from the mid-late 70's.
Crimsontider Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I know that I didn't 100% connect with Hendrix and his Wah Wah Pedal until listening under similar conditions . The connection stayed. First time I ever got stoned I ended up face down on the floor with my ear right next to a stereo speaker with "Manic Depression" wafting out of it. I will never forget how great that guitar solo sounded as it swirled through my altered brain. Exactly, you don't have to be stoned the next time to hear the extra depth. It kind of stays with you forever.
princeofdarkness56 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 First time I ever saw them was the same month they released Toy's In the Attic. Still one of the best concerts I have ever seen. Saw them about 6 or 7 times after that and it became a hit or miss proposition. I saw them once in Buffalo NY and they stunk up the place. Buffalo is not the town to phone in your performance. They were sloppy as hell and IMO just showed a huge lack of respect to the fans. They were literally pelted off the stage. Mid song a stagering Steven Tyler threw the middle finger to the audience and walked off the stage with the band. Anything that was not nailed down in the Aud went up on that stage. I think a couple of amps bit the dust that night by some well aimed throws from fans on the floor. How those boys got out of town alive that night is beyond me. If that was an example of the bands "creative substance induced days", you can keep it.
elduave Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 If that was an example of the bands "creative substance induced days", you can keep it.Or the crowds, for that matter.
devrock Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Hated Dream On when I first heard it, and still hate it today. However, Toys + Rocks are still in heavy Turdus rotation today. Here's to hoping that the new album sounds like those two.Really? I think that's one of the greatest rock songs ever made - and I'm not even a big fan of the band. However, I think I would like to see them live before they go...
jwhitcomb3 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Funny how everyone talks about Steven and Joe as if they are Aerosmith. For me, what makes the band tick is the rhythm section. Tom and Joey kick it and just drive that band. I saw the Cult in Boston in the 90's, and they were fine, but when they invited Tom and Joey to sit in for an encore, suddenly the band was on fire. Night and day.I love the first four Aerosmith albums. Draw the Line didn't do much for me (I saw that tour with a then-obscure Styx opening for them). I like bits of Permanent Vacation and Pump, and was surprised how much I liked Just Push Play.I hope they don't try to make an album that rehashes the glory days. I'm much more interested in hearing what moves them now then hearing yet another band trying to live in the past.
Jakeboy Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 My fav band...well after the Stones perhaps, but still.....I loved everything through Ruts and loved the Joe Perry Project...even the Once a Rocker tour! Dug Rock in a Hard Place and the comeback LPs Vacation and Pump.....then they lost me until Honkin on Bobo reminded me why I loved the first 4 albums so much.
elduave Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 I loved everything through Ruts and loved the Joe Perry Project...even the Once a Rocker tour!I had trouble getting past Cowboy Mach Bell.
shredmeister Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Saw them in THE second major concert they ever did. Loudest concert I was ever at. I like their older stuff. Not a big fan of the Love in An Elevator or Dude Looks Like a Lady era.Funny story I read. First time EVH met Joe Perry EVH went to shake his hand and Perry just turned and walked away. Read that in an EVH article. Wouldn't ya know frist time Yngiwie met EVH he went to shake EVH's hand and EVH turned and walked away. Read that in a Yngwie article.Tit for tat I guess.
Crimsontider Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Tyler did Oprah, I missed that too! Please tell me that you didn't mean that last line like it sounded! I think we'd all want to miss that! Reminds me of Tyler guesting on '2 and a Half Men', and Alan saying to him, "Y'know, I lost my virginity to you", and Tyler comes back with "Well, there's a lot of the 70's I don't remember" They did go out into the woods at Tyler's house, but I think it was for spiritual matter? I would like to see that episode. Alan is irreplaceable on the show too, imo.
Disturber Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 No one likes the DONE WITH MIRRORS album? That is the album that made me discover them for real. It's a very raw sounding album. I still like it. edit: I especially like the guitartones on the album. They sound so room miked and ambient, gives the production a very live feeling. The album is produced by Ted Templeman. He knows how to make a rock band sound great. Bruce Fairbairn just ruined their sound, slick slick no humph. He killed AC/DC as well with the albums he did with them.
elduave Posted March 15, 2012 Author Posted March 15, 2012 The album is produced by Ted Templeman. He knows how to make a rock band sound great. Bruce Fairbairn just ruined their sound, slick slick no humph. I don't know. To me, Pump has a much ballsier sound then Done With Mirrors.
Crimsontider Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 No one likes the DONE WITH MIRRORS album? That is the album that made me discover them for real. It's a very raw sounding album. I still like it. edit: I especially like the guitartones on the album. They sound so room miked and ambient, gives the production a very live feeling. The album is produced by Ted Templeman. He knows how to make a rock band sound great. Bruce Fairbairn just ruined their sound, slick slick no humph. He killed AC/DC as well with the albums he did with them. Ted Templeton is imprinted in my brain from staring at the Van Halen I album cover for hours while listening in awe back in the day. AC/DC, once you have an established producer like Mutt Lange, unless you are going in a different creative direction it's better to stay with the winning formula. Def Leppard for example never sounded the same without Mutt Lange, especially considering the way he crafted their sound and help in writing. With AC/DC, it would seem like another producer as good as templeton could incorporate their signature sound they had from Highway, Black and For those about to rock, unless told not to do so. Mutt Lange is probably at the top or is the top producer of any type of rock and roll in the modern age.......heavy or cross over country.
Turdus Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 To me, this is the last great Aerosmith song right here. The opening chords... brilliant, or mistake? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux8m8YGRmps
Crimsontider Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 Mutt Lange's oversite on the writing of the songs is pretty heavy, though. If you listen to Def Leppard and Shania Twain songs back to back, you can hear it. It is almost irritating. I think that he was less hands-on with AC/DC, as he was young then. Hearing Joe Elliot state that High and Dry was a sophomoric album that only got them to where they wanted to be ultimately, broke my heart. I will revert to Stephen Tyler's adage from his producer run-ins: "Don't boor us, get to the chorus". In other words, get the radio hook. I likes me a good pop song, but c'mon.... would we have Switch 625 with that constant objective? That is one ass-kicking tune, perfect in tension & release. I miss Pete Willis....and Steve Clark. What chemistry. Poor some Sugar on me and Honey I'm Home is a perfect example of songs penned by Mutt Lange. I even heard some Brian Adams in Hysteria. Mutt has too much influence to many. I have always suspected that he was responsible for about 90% of Shania Twains success and that she has not attempting anything since their split is no coincidence. Your points about his youth and less hands on during the early AC/DC is excellent. I totally agree with you about Steve Clark. The totally unique and brilliantly clever hooks and riffs by Clark is by far my favorite songs in their collection. His departure was like Maiden losing Adrian Smith for a while. A unique dimension of melody was absent. While I like Phil and Viv, who will always be a god to me from his days with dio, no Clark = castrated Leppard!
Crimsontider Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 I understand how this happens, though. Almost always, the producer gets paid first when the royalties come in. As probably, they should. So now the producer is "incentivized" (is that a word?) to drive the direction. And Mutt realized he could make a ton of money by directing these...distracted kids (rockstars). This is a R n R fable. But it's now brought us to these packaged acts. It's the Goldman/Sachs of the decline of live rock! "incentivized" sounds like a good Def Leppard album title Speaking of Goldman and the resignation letter in disgust of their practices by someone named Greg Smith no doubt I am sure this is similar to the culture with the record label's "big four". Does everything that controls our interest have a " Big Four" these days? Kind of sad. I miss all the smaller labels not under an umbrella growing up who would actually give groups three + albums to do something to make money before cutting them without owing millions back. They have helped craft such an unnecessarily expensive system to compete that bands are owned instantly and put through a system with very low odds of success. The one's that do have success make people lots of money though, the rest are quickly cast aside for the next roll of the dice. Am I cynical..............yes http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html
Rodan Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 So... Here's what they WERE at one time, apparently. This is the shit, no?
rj2858 Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 You are correct sir!But then again, I don't understand how anyone wouldn't want to listen to their entire first album, then flip it over and repeat the process.
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