Joe G Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Chap with a rare original O'Connor paint job in good condition with the history known and received as a gift, I don't see that I would be able to sell that one at all. But if I did sell, it would only be because I had to - definitely a sale with regrets. Friends understand, and you did him a favor by introducing him to Hamer guitars.If you decide to sell, ask him what he had in mind paying. Let him know that what is currently available and that yours is worthy of top price consideration. If he is ready to pay towards top end and you can come to terms, fine. If not, he should be happy with one of the chaps listed below (don't know if either of these are set necks or short scale):black one fs at the HFC - $600 the Guitar Center light green one - $400There are also three on Craigslist fs here:http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/2157069853.html - $1,000 chap elite some scratches with green finish http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/2157064855.html - $700 chap rosewood board some scratches, no pichttp://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/msg/2162910694.html - $500 chap elite with what looks to be a bad refinishGL whatever you decide!
carfish7 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 In the interest of fair comparison, the GC Chappy (Green-ish one) has a badly repaired HS break (screws through the HS).Nice Guitar BTW. There seems to be a bit of fence-sitting (understandable) about "fair" pricing here. Ebay gets you max value probably, but since this isn't a sale driven by need for the most $$, just pick a number that you are cool with and don't worry about how it relates to the open market. Make your friend a good deal and reap the benefits of doing a friend a solid - especially in the case of a guitar that sees little action.My $.02 worth...Z
mirrorimij Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Rare finish. They don't make them anymore.Larry Henrickson (Ax in Hand- RIP) was in on the ground floor of the "vintage" guitar scene as much as anybody and used to value his stuff at what it would cost him to replace it. I've used that guideline for 20 years. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to hold up well with Hamer. Probably why my stuff isn't selling.I wouldn't sell it unless its an offer you can't refuse or need the $$$.Sweet guitar. I think Doug D (former painter at Hamer) had one that was similar.
Laura Press Posted January 18, 2011 Author Posted January 18, 2011 Thank you ALL for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I understand the subjective nature of pricing Shark and have kind of been thinking along the lines of Carfish7's logic. My name is not Earl, but I have been thinking of the Karma value of letting this guy get the Chappy. It makes him so happy, and he sounds so good on it and at least I'll get to see it and hear a good player playing it. We have 5 gigs together this month Alone. Jon will still try to distract him with the '81 Special though LOL.One of my favorite things about this place has always been how helpful and starighforward HFC'ers are when asked for help or buying or selling amongst "our own."Jon and I have been here since HFC II (2000? 2001?) and have made friends and done business with some other HFC'ers and there has never been any B.S. (ignoring old flame wars that is).It is hard to find a place like this. I hope we all appreciate the things that makes this place so special.Thank you all again. BTW, still interested in any other feedback.
Brooks Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 if you don't want/need to sell it, i'd tell him $1k.explain that its sentimental and rare.
Bennyboy-UK Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 God! Don't sell it unless you really have to. I've never seen one like that! If you have to or really want to, ask for a mental price!Love it!Ben
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Thank you ALL for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I understand the subjective nature of pricing Shark and have kind of been thinking along the lines of Carfish7's logic. My name is not Earl, but I have been thinking of the Karma value of letting this guy get the Chappy. It makes him so happy, and he sounds so good on it and at least I'll get to see it and hear a good player playing it. We have 5 gigs together this month Alone. Jon will still try to distract him with the '81 Special though LOL.One of my favorite things about this place has always been how helpful and starighforward HFC'ers are when asked for help or buying or selling amongst "our own."Jon and I have been here since HFC II (2000? 2001?) and have made friends and done business with some other HFC'ers and there has never been any B.S. (ignoring old flame wars that is).It is hard to find a place like this. I hope we all appreciate the things that makes this place so special.Thank you all again. BTW, still interested in any other feedback.I understand where you are coming from, I think. I have felt pressured to give up favorite guitars in the past, too.There is something about giving the gift of music via an excellent instrument that is hard to resist. It isn't so much the object, as it is seeing the joy.But I think this is more than that, because the guitar has significant sentimental value to you, as well. I think you have the social/friendship right to not give away this guitar.And selling it for purely market values would pretty much be giving away the guitar.How about this train of thought? If you sell him this guitar, you will deprive him of the journey of discovery through the magical, mystical kingdom of Hamer USA shredders? He needs a chance to find out if a Cali or a Centaura might actually suit him more! If he gets this guitar, however, he'll probably stop there and never try another Hamer USA guitar.And not only would that be a shame, he won't truly be able to appreciate the rarity of this guitar.Conversely, if you sell it for a low price, then it is his. If later he likes another guitar better, he could sell it to someone else purely for the profit.You can ask him to give you the right to buy it back for the same price (forbid him to sell it for profit), but the bottom line is that once it is sold, it isn't yours anymore at all.Let him know that for just $2800, he can get FOUR Hamer USA Chaparrals...he can choose the one he likes and sell the other 3 on eBay individually for probably at least $2100 and end up w/ his favorite Chap of the bunch (one that he will probably like even more than yours) for $700 or less.
Brooks Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 You can ask him to give you the right to buy it back for the same price (forbid him to sell it for profit)that's a great idea.
caustic69 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 That is a beautiful Chap and as a Chap owner myself, I probably would not sell it. Consider just letting him play it at gigs and/or practices until he can find one of his own. Being that it is a special guitar to you and not just one of the herd, I would explain that to him. At the very least go with the "right to buy it back for same price" option mentioned already.Love that Chap! And FWIW, I feel that guitar is worth much more than $500. I'd go with the $800 -1K range.
polara Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Maybe sell for $800 with first right of refusal?I've sold with first rights to buy back at the same price. Sold iownit4 my goldtop Studio and a year later bought it back. Sold GusS a rockstar guitar with a similar kind of condition, though that time it was pretty casual and I'd never hold him to it. You know how it is here... guitars migrate around the HFC and sometimes will have the same owner 2 or 3 times.
peedenmark7 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I believe jim o'connor has retired to the south pacific on his boat as well..
Laura Press Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 Hey all, this is Laura's husband Jon here. She is off to a gig. Laura decided she is going to sell her Dragonskin Chaparral to our friend who is her bandmate and has been a pain in the ass since he played it and fell in love with it. (I'm actuallly a little sorry she brought it to the studio that night). But he's gonna sound great tonight!She of course has a right of first refusal - and buyback at the price to him - if he goes to sell it later. I told her he will probably die with it in his hands.I told him that if he dies first he has to tell his wife to get it back to Laura. His response was if he dies first I’m gonna need a shovel to get it back - not a problem "I ain't fraid of no ghosts." I just reminded him where Jim O'Connor signed it and told him that the signature better be intact when I dig up his body. But even though it is rare and I bought it for Laura for a Christmas present years ago I am o.k. with her selling it to our friend. He is very appreciative and now will sound better than he usually does with his SRV strat. Laura hardly ever played it for a long time now anyway. It is an amazing guitar and shoud played.Laura gets to see it and hear it (5 gigs with him in January alone). And besides, the scale of the Chap was never the most comfortable for her. I understand that too. I always preferred the feel of my 2nd generation Cruise to my Chap bass as amazing as the Chap bass is. That is why we sold it to M Chops for his daughter. (I'll say it again, you're a good dad Ben!).Anyway, Laura wanted to thank you all for the feedback. This really is a special place. This was a hard desicion for her and you guys helped her come to terms with selling it to Rico who you will probably hear from here soon. She also wanted you guys to see this other Chap that's on CL. I am going to post that as its own thread and then go play with the dog we picked up at a shelter two weeks ago. See ya,Jon Press
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