kizanski Posted June 17, 2019 Posted June 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Tortious said: The one posted today is gone already. Kiz? 🙃 lol - nope. Not me.Â
Tortious Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Well behold, you have another chance at glory! 🤩 https://davesguitar.com/products/gibson/historic-59-reissue-les-paul-standard-brazilian-18-7/ Â
Dave Scepter Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Hehe "Brazilian".. oh how the mind wanders when I hear that word 😆
gtrdaddy Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, Tortious said: Well behold, you have another chance at glory! 🤩 https://davesguitar.com/products/gibson/historic-59-reissue-les-paul-standard-brazilian-18-7/  Amazing, isn’t it. Another used one! What are the odds of so many of these guitars showing up at Dave’s used???? To me this is just affirmation that he’s skirting MAP.
benjammin308 Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 2:57 PM, gtrdaddy said: The 50 used ones which look new, are part of the last 50 new ones that didn’t sell for $9k. Changing the tag from new to used won’t get a dealer in trouble for violating MAP policy, and will allow him to move that inventory. This is a really interesting theory and makes a lot of sense. It may also be that the MAP agreement has a time limit (1 year?), so that it becomes "used" after it has been in inventory for that period of time. A dealer can't be expected to adhere to a set price indefinitely.  On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 1:37 PM, kizanski said: I don't think they're "rolling in" as much as he has a room full of them and doesn't want to flood the market any more than he already is, so he's "rolling them out" slowly. I talked to Dave for a few minutes when I was there in December. He literally does have a warehouse full of guitars and has total control over what he rolls into his "for sale" inventory at all times. He knows exactly what the market can bear and what he can sell. This is what he does and he's really good at it.
gtrdaddy Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 7 hours ago, benjammin308 said:  A dealer can't be expected to adhere to a set price indefinitely.  They absolutely can be and are expected to with a majority of MAP policies, and while I cant speak to Gibson’s current policy, most MAP policies apply to all products that are currently being produced, even if it sits on a dealer’s shelf for five years. In the past, with respect to a Gibson guitar, the MAP policies were iron clad and small feature differences like a Brazilian fretboard on last year’s R9 would not void MAP policy if they stopped producing it the following year.Â
gtrdaddy Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 8 hours ago, benjammin308 said: I talked to Dave for a few minutes when I was there in December. He literally does have a warehouse full of guitars and has total control over what he rolls into his "for sale" inventory at all times. He knows exactly what the market can bear and what he can sell. This is what he does and he's really good at it. I seriously doubt that the man lays out $5-6K on fifty Gibsons with no better than 30Net90DOI terms and doesn’t do his absolute best to photograph and list them for sale immediately. It would be outright foolish not to. Not only do the products  come due for payment but he has to pay taxes on inventory at the end of the year, whether it’s in a warehouse or not. It behooves dealers to sell as quickly as they can, and not sit on the majority of more than a quarter-million dollars of Les Paul R9 inventory.
kizanski Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, gtrdaddy said: I seriously doubt that the man lays out $5-6K on fifty Gibsons with no better than 30Net90DOI terms and doesn’t do his absolute best to photograph and list them for sale immediately. It would be outright foolish not to. Not only would the products  come due for payment but he has to pay taxes on inventory at the end of the year, whether it’s in a warehouse or not. It behooves dealers to sell as quickly as they can, and not sit on the majority of more than a quarter-million dollars of Les Paul R9 inventory. Which sounds more likely: Dave has a room full of these which he probably got for a bulk price. He has the money to set aside for them and can take his time moving them. ...or... Every time he sells one, another customer miraculously shows up looking to unload one at the counter that day. Dave knows what he's doing. He has forgotten more about this business than any of us (including those in the business) will ever learn.
crunchee Posted June 21, 2019 Author Posted June 21, 2019 I dunno much about the 'MAP today, used tomorrow' argument regarding 'new' guitars (vs. guitars bought new and actually used by someone, then sold or traded back in)...but I do know that some dealers will try to get MAP as long as possible. Those dealers don't seem to be very successful. Successful dealers seem to be the ones that move inventory.
gtrdaddy Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, kizanski said: Which sounds more likely: Dave has a room full of these which he probably got for a bulk price. He has the money to set aside for them and can take his time moving them. ...or... Every time he sells one, another customer miraculously shows up looking to unload one at the counter that day. Dave knows what he's doing. He has forgotten more about this business than any of us (including those in the business) will ever learn. Of course (1) is certainly possible. But why  sit on salable merchandise unless it is going to considerably rise in value in the immediate future? It doesn’t make sense unless you’re made of money. Maybe he is, who knows?
kizanski Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, gtrdaddy said: It doesn’t make sense unless you’re made of money. Maybe he is, who knows? He is. I do.
Funky Chicken Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Dave’s momma didn’t raise no dummy. All of my Dave’s transactions have been stellar. Very generous with trade values, as well. Â
gtrdaddy Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Funky Chicken said: All of my Dave’s transactions have been stellar. No one questioned his sales ethics.
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