BCR Greg Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 We also did this, but it's too far removed from spec to be included with the others.... Yeah, that's right.
DavidE Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Luke - I didn't get the whole Junior thing either. Then I tried it.Give it a chance. You'll be pleasantly surprized. Yeah, I didn't really know either. Then I got a Korina Jr. Schweeeet! And I still have the others, but I really like to play the Jr.
Bob P Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Plug a BCR Junior into a nice tube amp and tell me WTF intonation is for....SirD I still can't thank you enough for the cherry BCR Jr I have. Luke, play one and you will get it. For the record, the TV's came first, the Cherries came second. I will never sell mine.
Guest galejt Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 With a Special or a Junior, you lose some intonation And therein lies the rub. Not something you gain or lose depending on the guitar. Something you set and forget...unless you haven't tripped to locking studs...don't change your string gauge radically...or care.Its a relationship...a matter of dimensions...something you can calculate ahead of time...repeatable...physics. Assuming for the time being I can figure out ahead of time what the relationship is between the string gauge...scale length...and the myriad other tangibles that make up the application...I can calculate the dimensions of, and construct, a bridge that will satisfy the required relationships. The final adjustment, fore and aft of the bridge to accomodate minor discrepancies in the placement of the mounting studs, is all that is required.The pigtail wraparound bridge on my Jr provides both the proper relationship between the tangibles and the aforementioned adjustment.I put it on a strobe accurate to 0.1 cent. It tracks damn near spot on across the width between open and fretted at the 12th fret.I'm satisfied.
BCR Greg Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Gale, YOU DUMB SHITHEAD!!!!!Now the nonbelievers will want them.
black magic Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I played POE`s Junior in Trans Orange and it was sweet!! I am not a big P-90 guy, but the guitar was spot on. Jack.
Guest galejt Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Gale, YOU DUMB SHITHEAD!!!!!Now the nonbelievers will want them. As they should.Stock up.Tell the missus it arrived. Adjustomientoing now.
JohnnyB Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 For the record, the TV's came first, the Cherries came second. That means they saved the best for last--Vintage Orange!!!
black magic Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I love natural mahogany color the best, but Vintage Orange is right there with it, I just love that color!! Jack.
Bob P Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Galetgt...great explanation.Actually I never checked the intonation on my BCR Jr...I was too busy playing it.Quick check shows it intonates with my Sabine rackmount and my Boss TU-12.That's close enough for rock and roll.Johnny B, you may be right about the vintage orange ones (I didn't mean to exclude them). I just never had the opportunity to play one.
JohnnyB Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Quick check shows it intonates with my Sabine rackmount and my Boss TU-12.That's close nough for rock and roll.... but not for Luke.
Luke Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Quick check shows it intonates with my Sabine rackmount and my Boss TU-12.That's close nough for rock and roll.... but not for Luke. I'm sorry I just do not believe it. I am constantly intonating my guitars as the seasons change and the necks require adjusting. I cannot see how a set and forget intonation that cannot be adjusted to accomidate different string gauges or weather variables can be within 1 cent. In the end, who cares, I am not in the market for such a guitar so it really does not matter to me. Enjoy them if you have them, I'll pass.
JohnnyB Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I'm sorry I just do not believe it. People who recommended you try one out were just being nice. Nobody really cares if you're convinced or not. As BCRGreg sez, that's just more for the rest of us.
JohnnyB Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 We also did this, but it's too far removed from spec to be included with the others.... Why, how's it different?
Bob P Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Luke, Try one, buy one...whatever. Until then I don't think you can pass judgement.The people that have spoken have PLAYED THEM, OWNED THEM, etc.What is your playing experience with these instruments? The finest acoustics in the world have fixed intonation. Are you the type of person that would pooh pooh a pre war D45? Perhaps its not precise enough for your playing skills...I have an EMG loaded, Floyd rodded intonation machine just for you. Inquire by email.Bob
kenjones Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 When do you intonate a guitar? When you first put the strings on a guitar? Do you wait a day, or until you have EXACTLY 30 minutes of playing time on them?As strings age the intonation changes. A new string requires different intonation than a string that is a few days old (if there is really a need to be THAT precise).The simple fact is that the intonation on your guitar will NEVER be exact no matter what hardware is on it. By the time you actually go out to play a gig with your guitar, nobody in your band or audience will EVER be able to tell if your guitar's intonation is perfect. Now get out of your bedroom, stop practicing scales, and get out and play some gigs!
Luke Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 When do you intonate a guitar? When you first put the strings on a guitar? Do you wait a day, or until you have EXACTLY 30 minutes of playing time on them?As strings age the intonation changes. A new string requires different intonation than a string that is a few days old (if there is really a need to be THAT precise). The simple fact is that the intonation on your guitar will NEVER be exact no matter what hardware is on it. By the time you actually go out to play a gig with your guitar, nobody in your band or audience will EVER be able to tell if your guitar's intonation is perfect. Now get out of your bedroom, stop practicing scales, and get out and play some gigs! I guess you have to tell Eric Johnson and Steve Vai to stop wasting valuable gig time on having their guitars done with the Feiten system. When I pick the guitar up, if it sounds off I will tweak it. I always check my intonation 1/2 hour before a gig, after I have determined the guitar is acclomated to the club's environment. Maybe I'm just picky.
Bob P Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Luke, I am always in search guitar virtuosos. Please post a link to where I can buy your CD's.Bob
Mike_C Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 QUOTE (BCR Greg @ Feb 24 2006, 08:05 AM) 6 cherry6 Tv4 Orange1.5 Cherry with sustain block So what was the production order? They weren't all done at the same time were they? Wow I had the impression that more were made.
Bob P Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Mike, I was there when they were made. As I recall the production was as follows:The TV's came first (and all 6 bodies were all cut from the same board)Then came the cherry (also all 6 were cut from the same board- not the same board as the TV's). These came a few months later.I wish I could look, touch, play the later one's in Vintage Orange. Those look spot on with some real Gibby's from the Golden Age.All are good. I spent some time with a later Korina Junior. While not exactly like the earlier version, it was an awesome experience to play one.God Bless KorinaBob
cmatthes Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I gotta agree with Bob P. and the others here - those are really perfect electric guitars in the simplest form. Classics.
Mike_C Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Bob I knew about and missed the boat on the first 12. I thought there were more made in the subsequent run that's all. both version are very cool guitars.
BCR Greg Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 I had to beg and plead for YEARS to get those first ones made.Thanks to the guy that watched over the run of TV and the run of Cherry.You know you are the f***ing man.
Guest galejt Posted February 25, 2006 Posted February 25, 2006 Thanks to the guy that watched over the run of TV and the run of Cherry.You know you are the f***ing man. How does that old saying go..."I'd crawl on my knees through broken glass to lick the dick of the dog that chases the truck that carries your dirty laundry..."instead I'll just offer my thanks as well.
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