JohnnyB Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 As for Gibson's bridge angle versus Hamer's bridge angle, I don't know which is necessarily "right" but I'm sure there are descrepancies between the guitars (even if very small ones) and that could affect bridge placement. String alloys and construction tecniques, for example, have probably changed between the '50s and now and that would influence bridge placement.Very astute, Mr. Ree-shar,Back in the '50s they were playing 12-and 13-gauge string sets with flatwounds, sometimes wound around a silk (or other non-metallic) core. The string height may have been customarily higher back then as well. We often re-intonate after changing string brands in the same gauge. How much more so with such differences in gauge and materials?
JohnnyB Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 If this guy had "zero intonation ability" at Leeds, then I don't need no stinkin intonation. Hey, it really dorked up the lead guitar lines in "Mississippi Queen," too.
serial Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Wonder who is using the halide account today? Bottom line is that the warranty on those guitars is no different than any other Hamer. If you break the headstock on your regular thickness Korina Junior, Hamer isn't going to cover that under warranty either. As MikeC correctly points out, that's the result of user error or "abuse" which is excluded from coverage. Headstocks don't just spontaneously snap. What a freaking stupid attempt to sling mud. Pathetic. I wanted one of the BCR Juniors badly after playing them, but I wanted a TV one and Greg had to order them in batches of 6 as per Hamer, so Hamer wouldn't make just one at the time. After the korina Juniors came out, they relaxed this and built four separate orders but I'd already ordered two other customs and was out of custom order $$.
halide Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 cute. so we go from "that is blatantly false" to "it doesn't matter anyway".....ha ha ha
serial Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 That IS blatantly false. I was just pointing out how shallow and uninspired this whole thing was whoever you are today.
DavidE Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 cute. so we go from "that is blatantly false" to "it doesn't matter anyway".....ha ha ha Other than coming here and just making accusations, do you have any proof that what you say is true?
Guest galejt Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I wanted one of the BCR Juniors badly after playing them, but I wanted a TV one and Greg had to order them in batches of 6 as per Hamer, so Hamer wouldn't make just one at the time. You're in luck! Some nose-picker named Kiz has one for sale on the B,S,PIF board. And...some handsome, hung like the proverbial horse fellow has a Korina Jr too.Its like Christmas in February!
JohnnyB Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Why would you want a guitar that can not be intonated? Is being out of tune part of the mojo? Somebody tell Luke who intontion is for, will ya?Hey Greg. I know its been talked about briefly before but can you tell me why the Gibson tail piece is so much more slanted and it still intonates fairly well and the Hamer is so much straighter. Intonation is for pussies. Intonate an old Martin some time....In the 50's, the guitars had much heavier strings, and they needed the greater angle. So THERE!
serial Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I'd love to pick one up, but now's not the time!
thecajunboy Posted February 24, 2006 Author Posted February 24, 2006 cute. so we go from "that is blatantly false" to "it doesn't matter anyway".....ha ha ha No, nobody switched a thing. It is blatantly false, and really, it doesn't matter either way because if you snap a neck on any Hamer, it's not gonna be covered by warranty. Methinks you already knew this, but simply couldn't resist taking a shot in this thing because it's BCR thing. Grow the fuck up.
Guest galejt Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Why would you want a guitar that can not be intonated? Is being out of tune part of the mojo? Somebody tell Luke who intontion is for, will ya? Satisfied?
JohnnyB Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 cute. so we go from "that is blatantly false" to "it doesn't matter anyway".....ha ha hacute. so you go from "dickhead" to "persistent asshole".....ha ha ha
MCChris Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 cute. so we go from "that is blatantly false" to "it doesn't matter anyway".....ha ha ha Other than coming here and just making accusations, do you have any proof that what you say is true? You'll sooner sell your Cali LOL!Yeah I heard that the Triple Threat necks aren't covered under warranty either because they're 1-piece and thus are more likely to twist.
hamerhead Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Here's 1.5: The 1st one (top) had an issue and, sadly (as Hamer requires) met it's doom. It had the PERFECT neck. The second is my go-to gigger. I had an all-black 'guard put on the new one because it looks more like the original '58-'59s.
Guest galejt Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 He was too busy staring at photos of Poe's ass. :-) Aren't you doing just that right now? But now.......there is a cure
silentman Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Why would you want a guitar that can not be intonated? Is being out of tune part of the mojo? Somebody tell Luke who intontion is for, will ya? Satisfied? Jim you're my hero.
Luke Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Well I would never be sonically satisfied by a guitar that can not be intonated. To each his own I suppose. It seems like these Juniors are all about nostalgia. In a world where where we add one second to the clock every couple of years to adjust for the earth's rotation, sans intonation seems like a step backwards to me. I guess I'm off to unhook my car's airbags and break the the third prong off all of my appliances, after all, Pete Townsend made toast with a two pronged toaster once.
Mike_C Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Well I would never be sonically satisfied by a guitar that can not be intonated. To each his own I suppose. It seems like these Juniors are all about nostalgia. In a world where where we add one second to the clock every couple of years to adjust for the earth's rotation, sans intonation seems like a step backwards to me. I guess I'm off to unhook my car's airbags and break the the third prong off all of my appliances, after all, Pete Townsend made toast with a two pronged toaster once. Luke I'm not exactly sure of what yoru talking about. If you look closely at the bridge on the Korina Juniors they are adjustable so you can intonate the guitar. I don't know what the Mahogany juniors had for a bridge (they either came with the wilky wrap around that is stock on the korina or they had the pigtail wrap around) plus unless you tried one don't knock it. There is ALOT of guitar there in the junior.
DavidE Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Well I would never be sonically satisfied by a guitar that can not be intonated. To each his own I suppose. It seems like these Juniors are all about nostalgia. In a world where where we add one second to the clock every couple of years to adjust for the earth's rotation, sans intonation seems like a step backwards to me. I guess I'm off to unhook my car's airbags and break the the third prong off all of my appliances, after all, Pete Townsend made toast with a two pronged toaster once. Dear Mr. Know it All. You can put a fully intonatable bridge on a Jr. if you want. No big deal. I'd think such a wise person would know about such things. Very truly yours, Mr. Nostalgic
Luke Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 As far as I can remember the Junior was the bottom rung Gibson guitar, the cheap student model. It seems to me there are a lot of mint condition Hamers on ebay that have more versitility and intonate properly for the same or less money than these limited edition Hamer Juniors. I am not sure about the ability to change bridges to gain intonation, I'll just take your word for it since I am not in the market.
edgar_allan_poe Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I am not sure about the ability to change bridges to gain intonation, I'll just take your word for it since I am not in the market.Tonepros make a fully intonatable bridge for these terrible, non-intonating guitars for old people.
JohnnyB Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 As far as I can remember the Junior was the bottom rung Gibson guitar, the cheap student model. Yes, there are a lot of "happy accidents" from that era. The Fender Champ was the bottom rung of the Fender amplifier line, but it didn't keep Clapton from taking one into the studio to record "Layla." The ES-335 Dot model was the entry-level of that platform compared to the ES-345 and ES-347, but it's the one most sought after.Just about any time there's a technological advance in features or versatility, something gets sacrificed along the way. It's taken the recording industry over 20 years to dig out from all the musical information lost in the first several generations of digital recording. With a Special or a Junior, you lose some intonation, but you gain the sound transfer at the bridge that a solid one-piece casting gives you.Why do Tele enthusiasts put up with the intonation compromises of 3 saddles instead of 6? Same reason--more mass.
cmatthes Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I'm a rock player, so I can barely SPELL "intonation". (right, Elduave?)
BCR Greg Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 If it must be explained, it isn't worth explaining.FWIW, they intonate up quite well.
hamerhead Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Luke - I didn't get the whole Junior thing either. Then I tried it.Give it a chance. You'll be pleasantly surprized.
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