standard on ebay

[gerry]

this standard is offered as a 1987 custom made.

acc to my opinion the serialnumber 542811 indicates it as a 1994. am i right?

gerry

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this standard is offered as a 1987 custom made.

acc to my opinion the serialnumber 542811 indicates it as a 1994. am i right?

gerry

My Webpage

the link in my quote message works

[kizanski]

It's a run-of-the-mill '95 Standard Custom in '59Burst.

$1200 guitar - NOT a "1980s Era," like the ad says.

[BTMN]

Yep.

[gerry]

how can possible buyers who are not so well informed about hamers kept away from such a missinformation.

i mean between a 80s standard and a 95 standard should be a big difference in price.

[kizanski]

i mean between a 80s standard and a 95 standard should be a big difference in price.

Absolutely. A couple of grand, easy.

[Guest pirateflynn]

how can possible buyers who are not so well informed about hamers kept away from such a missinformation.

When buying used, especially on ebay, you must do your homework first. Once you're hooked emotionally over a piece, it's over. You did the right thing by asking over here.

As for the seller, he probably doesn't know the difference.

[David B]

I told the seller as soon as I saw that & he has not posted it. It is a 1995 & Kiz is 100% right on the value.

[gerry]

i am not interested in the guitar anyway. i am only going for 4 digits, but i wanted to get only a confirmation from here if it is a 95 guitar. i send the info to the seller and told him that he gives incorrect information.

how can possible buyers who are not so well informed about hamers kept away from such a missinformation.

When buying used, especially on ebay, you must do your homework first. Once you're hooked emotionally over a piece, it's over. You did the right thing by asking over here.

As for the seller, he probably doesn't know the difference.

[Guest pirateflynn]

I just dropped him a line, too.

[BTMN]

Many of them dont care and a few outright lie cause it is after the Internet. Lots of folks think they cant be found out. Buyer beware, buyer be aware.

[BTMN]

Looks like the HFC done set that boy straight.

[kizanski]

Well, he did revise his ad,but that didn't stop people from bidding too much money for it (the bidding continued even after the update).

No way that guitar is worth $1500.

[Crwth145]

I tried politely asking what his reserve might be, to which he responded with this:

"...this one was a limited release per Hamer Guitars. The MSRP was closer to $3300 when it was in production..."

This was after he revised the listing, never offering the reserve.

[serial]

I tried politely asking what his reserve might be, to which he responded with this:

"...this one was a limited release per Hamer Guitars. The MSRP was closer to $3300 when it was in production..."

This was after he revised the listing, never offering the reserve.

Absolute horseshit. That guitar didn't list anywhere CLOSE to $3300 in 1995! MAYBE List price was $1495 or $1995 even, but no WAY $3300. That's just a little under current list!

[kizanski]

I tried politely asking what his reserve might be, to which he responded with this:

"...this one was a limited release per Hamer Guitars. The MSRP was closer to $3300 when it was in production..."

This was after he revised the listing, never offering the reserve.

Well, I can't fault him for not telling you the reserve (what good is a reserve if you tell someone what it is?), but what he DID tell you was inaccurate to say the least. As a matter of fact, the only truth to it was that the guitar was in fact a Hamer.

As for the "limited release" and he MSRP number - uh-uh.

[Armitage]

I wonder how many Standards (or Standard Customs) were done in 95... I don't think too many.

[kizanski]

I wonder how many Standards (or Standard Customs) were done in 95... I don't think too many.

'95 Standard Customs see to be plentiful (even I had one).

And they always seem to be '59'burst.

[AdmiralB]

That guitar didn't list anywhere CLOSE to $3300 in 1995! MAYBE List price was $1495 or $1995 even, but no WAY $3300. That's just a little under current list!

I believe list was $2149 or thereabouts. I bought a new one in '95 and I paid $1500 before tax.

[Crwth145]

I tried politely asking what his reserve might be, to which he responded with this:

"...this one was a limited release per Hamer Guitars. The MSRP was closer to $3300 when it was in production..."

This was after he revised the listing, never offering the reserve.

Well, I can't fault him for not telling you the reserve (what good is a reserve if you tell someone what it is?), but what he DID tell you was inaccurate to say the least. As a matter of fact, the only truth to it was that the guitar was in fact a Hamer.

As for the "limited release" and he MSRP number - uh-uh.

You're right, and it felt pretty cheesy asking; first time I've done that. Thought I'd try it considering the suspiscious nature and series of events. His answer was right in line with what some of us thought his original intent to be...

[Armitage]

Do you guys actually think a mint '95 Standard Custom isn't 'worth' $1500? Wow. I've played a lot less that cost a lot more.

If you guys have a bunch of mint Standard Customs you want to let go for a grand.... let me know.

[Lockbody]

Do you guys actually think a mint '95 Standard Custom isn't 'worth' $1500? Wow. I've played a lot less that cost a lot more.

If you guys have a bunch of mint Standard Customs you want to let go for a grand.... let me know.

I thought "most" went in the $1200ish range.

[kizanski]

Do you guys actually think a mint '95 Standard Custom isn't 'worth' $1500? Wow. I've played a lot less that cost a lot more.

If you guys have a bunch of mint Standard Customs you want to let go for a grand.... let me know.

Gimme a break. For a few hundred more than what that one sold for, you could get a brand new one.

Hamers have always sold for less than they're worth. Is that a secret around here? Of course they're under-valued. That's one of the things we like about the brand in general.

This is the first '95 Standard Custom ("Mint" or otherwise) that I've seen go for more than $1200 - $1300 that wasn't in a color other than '59'burst - that's all I'm saying.

cmatthes had a '95 that had a different headstock and I beleive it was a custom order right before they became a catalog item. That one sold for more becuase it was worth more.

[cmatthes]

cmatthes had a '95 that had a different headstock and I beleive it was a custom order right before they became a catalog item. That one sold for more becuase it was worth more.

That was a '91 that I custom-ordered in 1990. I bought a '95 Standard in '59 Burst new from a dealer (Dave's Guitars) in '95 for under $1,300. Believe it or not, I have sold two '95 Standards in '59 Burst - one for $1,200 and one for slightly more. I don't think that even the '59 Burst mid-90s Standards are $1,000 guitars any more - the price on the '90s Hamers are definitely inching up. I'm not surprised to see one go for $1,500 these days, but it is more than I'd pay right now for one of those (For many people though, it's far better than waiting 4-6 months and paying another $1,000 for a new one). Sadly, I don't think I'll be able to find a Mahogany '90s Standard for less than $900 any more!

Still - I agree that the auction dood is a complete tool.

[kizanski]

cmatthes had a '95 that had a different headstock and I beleive it was a custom order right before they became a catalog item. That one sold for more becuase it was worth more.

That was a '91 that I custom-ordered in 1990. I bought a '95 Standard in '59 Burst new from a dealer (Dave's Guitars) in '95 for under $1,300. Believe it or not, I have sold two '95 Standards in '59 Burst - one for $1,200 and one for slightly more. I don't think that even the '59 Burst mid-90s Standards are $1,000 guitars any more - the price on the '90s Hamers are definitely inching up. I'm not surprised to see one go for $1,500 these days, but it is more than I'd pay right now for one of those (For many people though, it's far better than waiting 4-6 months and paying another $1,000 for a new one). Sadly, I don't think I'll be able to find a Mahogany '90s Standard for less than $900 any more!

Still - I agree that the auction dood is a complete tool.

I forgot it was a '91. Well, more to the point, then.

Yes, the end of the sub-$900 Mahogany Standard era is definitely a sad thing. That was the best bargain on a used Hamer out there, right along with the "80 Specials that were almost being given away.

[flarocks]

I just joined this board because of my love of Hamer guitars. I presently own a 93 quilt special fm that I adore but in the past I have owned Chapperals, a Californian Custom, a 95 standard, a 1980 sunburst, a 79 sunburst and a Vector. I have always had a serious emotional and sentimental attachment to these guitars although as of late I have been an Ibanez fan (primarily JEMS and JS's). The last 2 I had were a 95 standard dot inlay in 59 burst and a Chapperal custom that was stolen and never retrived. I frequent many forums including Jemsite, The les paul forum, line 6 and peavey and as of late I love this one too. Now, here is my rant. I am the guy who spent $1500 on a 95 Hamer custom Standard that you all seem to be all to eager to devalue. I checked this forum and even contributed to a thread about the auction. I know that when they were new they were $1800+ list....maybe you could get one discounted around 1400...I know this but I still feel like after reading this thread that most of you look at it like "Who would pay that much for this..?". Well, I would. It is an awesome instrument and terribly underrated. I sold my Standard three years ago for 1300 and it wasn't a custom. I saw a blueburst here go for 1500...SO WHAT. The overwhelming opinion here should be how cool the guitar is and how the values are going up. Not making a buyer feel like he may have gotten ripped off because some of you feel I'm crazy for spending that much. I was skeptical of the auction at first as well but Jamie, the guy I bought it from has turned out to be one of the coolest cats I have ever dealt with on Ebay, PERIOD. I am glad I bought this and to me this guitar and vintage are well worth the money I spent and thats what matters most. This guitar was similar enough to the one I had that I was compelled to win it. It just makes me feel bad that some opinions on this board make me feel as if I got railed, and that just tarnishes the investment and the time I spent reading and researching on this board. It was worth it to me and as part of this forum that is what should matter most to you guys.

Thanks for listening

Jim