Anyone use a Rocktron Hush Super C?

[Ting Ho Dung]

Any thoughts? Better than a noise gate? worse?

Danka

[Armitage]

I used a Rocktron Hushes for ages and loved them. Think of a smart gate that works at different EQ settings on the fly instead of just killing everything waiting for everything to get quiet. I've never tried the Super C...

Didn't the guy who designed it move on and make the (better) ISP Decimators now.

[jisham]

I've had a ISP Decimator pedal on my board for years and IMO, it blows away all the Rocktron Hush models. Back when I was playing heavier, higher gain stuff, I had the rackmount Decimator which is amazing but pricey.

[Ting Ho Dung]

I've had a ISP Decimator pedal on my board for years and IMO, it blows away all the Rocktron Hush models. Back when I was playing heavier, higher gain stuff, I had the rackmount Decimator which is amazing but pricey.

Are rackmounts better than pedals? I know nothing about racks other than some women have nice ones.

[Bobby Marshall]

Noise gates SUCK tone. Get a nice volume pedal, they work when you want them to every time.

[zenmindbeginner]

I have an ISP G string and a normal Decimator. I also used to use HUSH II units during the 90's.

My biggest problem with noise is EMI/RFI interferance. Some equipment rejects it well, some doesn't.

My Line 6 POD X3 Live has almost zero EMI/RFI rejection capability which is why I need the ISP stuff.

With all of the cellphone signals and wireless stuff bouncing around, EMI/RFI has never been higher.

I've never had the pleasure of living in an area in my adult life that wasn't bombarded by EMI/RFI interferance... it comes through my pickups and gets routed through my whole signal... I fugging HATE IT, it's KILLING my tone! Arrrggghhh!!!!

So, when I lived in Chicago, I didn't need noise reduction but when I moved to NC, I couldn't do without one.

Why I had less EMI/RFI living several miles away from O'Hare airport than I do now living downtown in a quaint small Southern city I don not know.

I liked the HUSH units with only one knob... more like Dolby companding than a noise gate with a threshold and release control.

The gates can cut off your reverb tails and sustain while simultaneously ruining your dynamics.

The compander based noise reducers didn't do that, but did sort of dampen one's tone a bit like Bobby Marshall stated above.

I personally liked how it sort of made the sound a bit squishier while stripping some of the "wetness" out of it rendering a more dry and inyerface sound.

The ISP Decimators work sort of like a compander but more like a gate. You absolutely can cut offyer reverb tails and sustain while simultaneously ruining your dynamics with an ISP.

I'm sort of split on the ISP as far as being a tool to reject EMI/RFI... the compander based units seemed to be better for that job than the gates.

I gave away my HUSH II to a friend several years back, but I'd love to A/B them. I used to set my HUSH II on top of my Marshall but don't have that anymore so it's just sit on the floor which is just too weird and keeping me from picking one up cheap on the 'Bay.

I do know that Rocktron started to move from the compander based HUSH stuff to a HUSH that was more like a gate... I'm pretty sure that the SUPER C works more like a gate than a compander but I could be wrong.

I'm rambling and need to take my medicine, so I hope that I've confused the matter sufficiently. Ciao.

[Ting Ho Dung]

Yes, I'm totally confused now Zen, LOL. But yes, I know what you mean about it licking off your reverb and delay. I've experimented with the gate that is in my M-13 and didn't like it. I thought the Super C was something different reading from Rocktron's website.

Edit: I also found a rackmount for $70. Not sure if I should get it.

[Armitage]

I can't stand noise gates, that's why I used a HUSH. It doesn't cut off like a noise gate does, it acts like a bunch of Auto EQ sliders. If there is no signal at a particular frequency, it turns that frequency down, and leaves the others untouched.

[tbonesullivan]

The ISP decimator is made by the same people who designed some of the best Hush units... I forget which model it was. Maybe the Guitar Silencer. The decimator G string is awesome in that you can run it before and after your distortion pedals. It uses the first suppressor as the trigger for the second, so you have to make sure that things like reverb/delay, etc come after the G string. The pro-rack G is a pro version that works like the G string but is rack mounted.

I have a standard decimator, and I mainly use it to kill hum coming from the guitar itself before everything else. It works awesome. I also have an EHX hum debugger that really works well on strats, teles, and p-90s.

[Armitage]

I've heard so many great things about the Decimator, I've just never tried one...

P.S. I always used my HUSH before my reverb in my rack...

[murkat]

I've had a ISP Decimator pedal on my board for years and IMO, it blows away all the Rocktron Hush models. Back when I was playing heavier, higher gain stuff, I had the rackmount Decimator which is amazing but pricey.

Hush units are great when used, dialed in properly. Had one in my racks a many times, they were it.

one channel before amp, one channel post before power amp.

The ISP guys are the guys from Hush and who designed the Hush units.

The ISP decimator is also great unit (also had).

Just got to know how to dial it in to yeild what you want with out sacrifice, loss of tone, output, etc.

Touchy lil buggers.

[Ting Ho Dung]

I've had a ISP Decimator pedal on my board for years and IMO, it blows away all the Rocktron Hush models. Back when I was playing heavier, higher gain stuff, I had the rackmount Decimator which is amazing but pricey.

Hush units are great when used, dialed in properly. Had one in my racks a many times, they were it.

one channel before amp, one channel post before power amp.

The ISP guys are the guys from Hush and who designed the Hush units.

The ISP decimator is also great unit (also had).

Just got to know how to dial it in to yeild what you want with out sacrifice, loss of tone, output, etc.

Touchy lil buggers.

Any reason to get a rack mount instead of a pedal?

[RobB]

I've had a ISP Decimator pedal on my board for years and IMO, it blows away all the Rocktron Hush models. Back when I was playing heavier, higher gain stuff, I had the rackmount Decimator which is amazing but pricey.

The ISP guys are the guys from Hush and who designed the Hush units.

The ISP decimator is also great unit (also had).

Any reason to get a rack mount instead of a pedal?

I've got both, too: G-String and ProrackG. I used the ProrackG when I was running a wet/dry setup: Guitar-->Channel 1-->Amp and Amp Line Out-->Pedalboard-->Channel 2 In/out/-->poweramp. Sounds huge but is a PITA to haul around.

Really no reason to get the rack version, unless you plan on running the second channel through an FX loop. The G-String has this feature, too, but you can use the second out/in as an FX loop on the board. Takes some time to find the right setting-balance "between clever and stupid", but they work great.

[Ting Ho Dung]

I've had a ISP Decimator pedal on my board for years and IMO, it blows away all the Rocktron Hush models. Back when I was playing heavier, higher gain stuff, I had the rackmount Decimator which is amazing but pricey.

The ISP guys are the guys from Hush and who designed the Hush units.

The ISP decimator is also great unit (also had).

Any reason to get a rack mount instead of a pedal?

I've got both, too: G-String and ProrackG. I used the ProrackG when I was running a wet/dry setup: Guitar-->Channel 1-->Amp and Amp Line Out-->Pedalboard-->Channel 2 In/out/-->poweramp. Sounds huge but is a PITA to haul around.

Really no reason to get the rack version, unless you plan on running the second channel through an FX loop. The G-String has this feature, too, but you can use the second out/in as an FX loop on the board. Takes some time to find the right setting-balance "between clever and stupid", but they work great.

Why would I run the second channel through the FX loop? Jesus, there is too much to learn. Fishing was much easier. Can't somebody just come down here and make me what I want so all I have to do is plug in my guitar? Learning curves are not for me anymore.

[RobB]

Why would I run the second channel through the FX loop? Jesus, there is too much to learn. Fishing was much easier. Can't somebody just come down here and make me what I want so all I have to do is plug in my guitar? Learning curves are not for me anymore.

You don't have to use a second channel. The Decimator pedal has one input/output. Here's the manual if you care to read up on how to operate it: manual

Relax, breathe...You can do this without any self-harm.

[Ting Ho Dung]

Why would I run the second channel through the FX loop? Jesus, there is too much to learn. Fishing was much easier. Can't somebody just come down here and make me what I want so all I have to do is plug in my guitar? Learning curves are not for me anymore.

You don't have to use a second channel. The Decimator pedal has one input/output. Here's the manual if you care to read up on how to operate it: manual

Relax, breathe...You can do this without any self-harm.

Thanks man, Must have been that morning Mountain Dew talking.

[tbonesullivan]

Why would I run the second channel through the FX loop? Jesus, there is too much to learn. Fishing was much easier. Can't somebody just come down here and make me what I want so all I have to do is plug in my guitar? Learning curves are not for me anymore.

Basically, to kill the noise introduced by super high gain, and also to kill off feedback. The idea is that the two gates are linked together, so that it shuts off the loop when there is no signal going in, so you don't get any extra noise from having really huge gain running. It's a bit overkill, IMHO. I find it works best right in front of everything, killing off noise and 60Hz hum. Even the best shielded guitars will have some level of noise floor, which is revealed with super high gain compression. If you get rid of it before the distortion/overdrive/etc it doesn't get boosted up.

[zorrow]

I have a noise gate right after my preamp, which is like having it in the FX loop. It does shut it off when I'm not playing, but I still get plenty of parasite noise when playing. So you say the ISP Decimator is the guy to solve this issue, right?

[RobB]

I have a noise gate right after my preamp, which is like having it in the FX loop. It does shut it off when I'm not playing, but I still get plenty of parasite noise when playing. So you say the ISP Decimator is the guy to solve this issue, right?

Like any noise gate, whatever noise is there will be there when the gate's open. Are you running your gate after your amp's preamp or a pedal? As tbone explained above, the great thing about the GString's compander circuit is that it kills any noise going in, and re-kills more noise in the fx chain. I use it on the pedalboard to keep cable runs short by putting the fx through the "second" channel. If your amp has an fx loop, I suppose you could set the ISP on top of the amp and run your pedalboard/cable to the ISP and use short cables for the fx loop.

There a coupla hookup options with the G-String and it took two tries to get what I wanted. ISP makes the best noise reduction products I've tried.

[Scottcrud]

The Boss SC-2 or whatever it's called is better than any Hush I ever used, and the ISP decimator pedal is better than my boss.

[tbonesullivan]

I have a noise gate right after my preamp, which is like having it in the FX loop. It does shut it off when I'm not playing, but I still get plenty of parasite noise when playing. So you say the ISP Decimator is the guy to solve this issue, right?

The Decimator G string? yes. it can pretty much kill off anything. Ideally it is run in the effects loop of an amp, before all of the delay and reverb effects, but after any modulation effects. The first part of the G-string should be hooked directly into your guitar. that way the second loop shuts off whenever the level on the first input is below threshold