humfree Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Even with all of the baggage, Heart came out with the original lineup. THAT for me was special.Then they brought out their current lineup, which to me, sounded like a cover band. Not a fan of Kiss, but it's not about Kiss.. it's about those fans who have been there from the beginning - at least for me it is..
oldskoolrulz Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Still enjoy listening to Alive! every once in a while, that album cover is still the coolest picture of Kiss out there imho
Never2Late Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 IMHO, its a BIG STAGE, fellas.....surely, there's room for everyone to get up there and trade a few licks for old-times sake. If these guys were "Professional", they'd bring everyone together, rehearse a few tunes where everyone could contribute a part or two, and make it happen. G-n-R did it. Metallica did it for some Anniversary gig (Mustaine was there, played great. Newsted played/sang with Trujillo, etc. etc.). If these guys would just act like ADULTS, this would be easy.....
dobieboy Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I think for as sick and tired as Gene and Paul claim to be, I suspect that Ace and Peter are just as fed up..
LordOfTheThighs Posted February 23, 2014 Author Posted February 23, 2014 IMHO, its a BIG STAGE, fellas.....surely, there's room for everyone to get up there and trade a few licks for old-times sake. If these guys were "Professional", they'd bring everyone together, rehearse a few tunes where everyone could contribute a part or two, and make it happen. G-n-R did it. Metallica did it for some Anniversary gig (Mustaine was there, played great. Newsted played/sang with Trujillo, etc. etc.). If these guys would just act like ADULTS, this would be easy.....I wouldn't be surprised if they all played together, along with the other inductees and guests, for the big mega jam, that always closes the festivities.
crunchee Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Still enjoy listening to Alive! every once in a while, that album cover is still the coolest picture of Kiss out there imho Yeah, but trying to copy Ace on the album cover didn't do my playing technique any favors.
tommy p Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 The best part of the Kiss announcement: no possibility of Dave Grohl horning in on the performance in any way.Didn't need fixing - I said Lick It Up on purpose. Vinne definitely raised the bar talent-wise and wrote some great songs on Creatures, but that was their worst-selling tour and album up to that point (and probably still is). They also chose to downplay Vinnie's involvement at the time by using Ace's picture on the cover. However, on Lick It Up Vinnie was fully acknowledged as a member of the band and that was the album that put them back on the map and for better or worse, MTV.In and of themselves, record sales do not equate to quality. If they did, we all better start worshipping at the altar of One Direction. Similarly, speed does not equate to talent on the guitar. Creatures is the better album, and Ace is the better guitar player. Vinnie 's true talent is in hard rock songwriting.The only reason LIU put them back on the map is because they removed the makeup.Hey, I like Creatures better than Lick It Up too! I assume when you say Creatures was a better album than Lick It Up that you know Vinnie played on Creatures as well? I think Vinnie is a far better player than Ace and not just for speed although that's certainly part of it. Vinnie could play fast cleanly and with a variety of licks and runs. When Ace played tried to exhibit speed it was just pulloffs and even then sloppy 95% of the time. I saw Kiss live with Ace twice and Ace solo once and live his playing was just awful. The Kiss fans I went to these concerts with even thought Ace was a joke.It's been my experience that folks who think Ace is a good player were Kiss fans from way back, whereas I didn't start listening to them until fairly recently as I said in my earlier post. I listened to every album they did, in order, and there was a big jump in good guitar playing in general and imaginative lead guitar in particular after Ace left.Sorry if I'm offending anyone by not rating Ace. His solo album was by far my favorite of the 4 simultaneously-released albums, and I actually have Anomaly and a Frehley's Comet album too. I think he's funny as hell and his rogue spirit against Gene and Paul back in the day (Tom Snyder interview, anyone?) was a thing of beauty. Highly influential? Yes. Great guitar player? No. Right guy for the right band at the right time? Undoubtedly.
dobieboy Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 But that's it EXACTLY, Tommy P...the right guy for the right band at the right time! That's the spirit that Gene and Paul have tried so hard to re capture but have fallen short every time... None of the original 4 held themselves out as musicians..I know I started to play because of Ace.his riffs were easy and accessible for most beginners..and that image..classic
sirDaniel Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 At the end of the day, Kiss (Gene and Paul) is still all about image, fame, and money... Not about making great music exactly. people, is this a surprise. Kissarmy, doesnt this make you wanna go HORNS UP?? kisssux
jwhitcomb3 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 If these guys would just act like ADULTS, this would be easy.....If these guys acted like ADULTS, they never would have been Kiss.
jisham Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 I could care less who's a "better/faster" guitarist. Ace Frehley single handedly launched the careers of a bazillion guitar players. Ace always had attitude, groove and feel to his playing.
MCChris Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 In addition, you can hum a lot of his solos. Not so much with Vinnie.
diablo175 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Yup. Vinnie wow-ed me with his speed and histrionics but Ace (along with Jimi and Jimmy) made me wanna play guitar, period. Game over.
tmsfo Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Thanks for posting the ALIVE cover. For a millisecond I was 13 again!! I'm sitting in a room with guitars lining the walls because of that image.
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