Okay, let me try a specific request...

[Feynman]

I have looked through all the ads here back through 2005, and I notice '78 Sunbursts appearing for sale here and there.

Anyone got a nice, minty '78 Sunburst they're thinking about parting with but haven't gotten around to it?

I'd gladly consider a '77, too, but I figure the odds of that are very slim or very expensive.

B&C a must. Period correctness as much as possible, or the ability to get it there... I'm not in love with the Aceburst.

I see how frequently this request pops up, so I know I'm not alone in this desire, but I figure it can't hurt to try...

-mitch

[acb]

this is getting pretty ridiculous. you passed on acquiring peedenmark's 80 b&c sunburst priced more than fair two weeks ago because it had a small ding??? now you're trolling for another earlyburst - under limited conditions -- and passing on peedenmarks 78 sunburst beater???

any other conditions you want to include, like... accepting your SC in trade as part of the deal? or... it must have the original hardcase in excellent condition?

wait - let me guess.. next week you might want something else. again.

you're missing out on limited opportunities.

i don't get it.

[kizanski]

this is getting pretty ridiculous. you passed on acquiring peedenmark's 80 b&c sunburst priced more than fair two weeks ago because it had a small ding??? now you're trolling for another earlyburst - under limited conditions -- and passing on peedenmarks 78 sunburst beater???

any other conditions you want to include, like... accepting your SC in trade as part of the deal? or... it must have the original hardcase in excellent condition?

wait - let me guess.. next week you might want something else. again.

you're missing out on limited opportunities.

i don't get it.

Exactly what I was thinking....

[acb]

insincere trolling is not helping your situation. if i had an earlyburst that was "potentially for sale" i would offer it to you at no less than triple the highest market/asking price just to compensate for the pain-in-the-a$$ factor and insure it cannot be flipped anytime in the near future.

i don't know exactly how many members told you to JUMP at the 80 sunburst (maybe four or five or six) but at this point, if i were you, i'd be begging JJ to let you buy it -- if it is still available -- at a reasonable cash price -- regardless of any conditions you have mentioned or discussed previously.

sheeesh!!

WTF !!!

[Feynman]

All right. I'll pull this. Sorry, I didn't see it is as a PITA. I posted this in response to a suggestion from another board member. I just considered it more specific request (a nice '78).

I guess my posts were more annoying than I thought, and for that I apologize. Really.

-mitch

[acb]

...I just considered it more specific request (a nice '78)

mitch - all kidding aside, i still don't think you get it -- it is not about annoying posts; we all make annoying posts, hell i might be runner up to the king hahaha.

do you really think there is THAT much of a difference between a 77->80 sunburst that justifies holding out from acquiring "something earlier" and "in nice minty condition"? wait, let me guess, this is all about trying to get something at a bottom feeder price so that you do not lose money if you need to flip it?

your strategy reminds me of Mauricio in the movie SHALLOW HAL. you're passing over early sunbursts --as your first hamer keeper-- because they are not "early enough" or "pretty enough" or whatever, even if they may be the best rawking guitar you get your hands on. you want to acquire in a one month period here at the HFC what some other members have carefully searched for many years.

redeem yourself: watch the movie and write a three page synopsis for the lunatik forum.

[Feynman]

Okay - I can see that. I was under the false impression that you guys had closets full of them...

But also let me stick up for myself a little here. I've never tried to flip or bottom feed at all. I bought the MONEL and didn't like it, so I offered it here at a lower price than I paid for it. I ended up with the SC instead, only as generosity to the guy who really wanted the MONEL. Since I was selling a guitar anyway, it gave me the opportunity to make someone else happy. I assumed I could sell an SC as easily as a MONEL, and the guy was overjoyed with the exchange. It was, in my opinion, a nice gesture on my part.

I haven't mentioned price once in the Sunburst discussions (aside from my very first post asking what they tend to go for), nor would I quibble about it. I probably wouldn't want to pay the 3X-PITA penalty ( ), but I'd never try to shortchange anyone. I'd be willing to pay a premium for one I want.

I didn't know that people spend years looking for what I requested, or I'd have not posted it. I'll just keep my eyes open for an opportunity in the future then. As far as the shallowness of wanting a '78 instead of an '80, yeah, I'll admit to that....but I'm going to adjust my perspective a bit.

-mitch

[hamerhead]

When I was a noob, I asked dumb questions and I passed on guits that weren't just 'so' (and I kick myself for it STILL!!) all the time.

Cut Feynman some slack. He'll get the hang of it.

[marcnorth]

I don't see any thing wrong with asking for the guitar your looking for.

Tell these other guys to F**k off.

[Feynman]

I appreciate their candor. I have a lot to learn, and even though some of the wording made me think 'ouch,' I see where they are coming from. I had the impression that minty 78s were just lying around all over, and I guess that's just not true. Someday she'll appear...

Even when I look through my own posts, I think I sound scatterbrained, so I had that coming. The only thing I didn't really like was the flipper/lowball thing, so I wanted to explain that a bit.

A wise forum member told me I needed thicker skin, so I'll work on that, too (thanks, Kiz).

-mitch

[kizanski]

I don't see any thing wrong with asking for the guitar your looking for.

Tell these other guys to F**k off.

I don't see anything wrong with it either, but one also has to be realistic about it as well.

Mitch and I had about a dozen PM's about this subject over the past week into this morning, and the best that I can conclude is that he wants a '77 or '78 just because.

John Jaco was selling a very clean (save for one face ding) '80 B&C 'Burst at a very good price, but for some reason that didn't fit the bill.

He then asked me about a more expensive dot neck '79 that he saw for sale on GBase. I talked him out of it because it didn't make sense to me to spend more money on a dot neck '79 from a stranger when you could get Bound and Crowned from a forum member for less.

Point being: if you want a '77 or '78, then stick to that. If you turn down an '80, but then entertain a '79, then maybe you're not as clear on what you want as you had originally thought.

I'm not spelling this all out to embarrass Mitch. I have been exactly where he is now: having a vague idea of what I want, but not really knowing why. Actually, I'm in "that place" quite often...

At any rate, I gave my advice (after all, he asked) but I can't make him or anyone else agree with my opinion. What I said I said with his best interest in mind.

For that reason alone I seriously doubt that he is about to tell me to F**k off, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, either.

[sw686blue]

For that reason alone I seriously doubt that he is about to tell me to F**k off, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, either.

Ah, f**k off already.

[serial]

NO ONE has closets of B&C 77 and 78 Sunbursts around. I'd be floored if anyone has more than two in a closet. The b/c pre-79 Sunbursts were maybe 20% of production (I have the exact number around somewhere according to the factory records) and of those, I've heard of MANY with neck issues that didn't happen on the dot necks. Considering that the last 78 Sunburst was #8 0607, including the prototypes, you're looking at a total of 611/612 guitars before taking away the ones with issues and I've seen forty or so of THOSE over the years myself. Personally, I think that the 79s I've played are the best of the Sunbursts in just about every respect, but that's all a matter of taste. I've owned Sunbursts from every year they made them and the 79s always seem to rise to the top.

[kizanski]

For that reason alone I seriously doubt that he is about to tell me to F**k off, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, either.

Ah, f**k off already.

That's no way to get me to ship to Canada!

[sw686blue]

For that reason alone I seriously doubt that he is about to tell me to F**k off, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, either.

Ah, f**k off already.

That's no way to get me to ship to Canada!

Kizzy-poo, I'm sowy. We fwiends now?

[kizanski]

For that reason alone I seriously doubt that he is about to tell me to F**k off, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, either.

Ah, f**k off already.

That's no way to get me to ship to Canada!

Kizzy-poo, I'm sowy. We fwiends now?

Of course!

I'm STILL not shipping to Canada, though!

[sw686blue]

I'm the one who suggested to Mitch to post a WTB. He asked me if I had one and, of course, I don't. The dude is looking for a guitar that will be perfect for him. I totally understand why he would flip the Monaco Elite for the Studio Custom.

Cut the dude some slack.

[kizanski]

I totally understand why he would flip the Monaco Elite for the Studio Custom.

Cut the dude some slack.

I totally can't understand why anyone would BUY a Monaco Elite, so flipping for the SC is a no-brainer.

Slack cut...

[MCChris]

I can't understand why anyone would want a sustain block Hamer. The two I had sounded like wafer-thin pieces of shit compared to the two mid-to-late '90s Hamers I have now. Which means they must all sound like that, right?

[sw686blue]

I totally can't understand why anyone would BUY a Monaco Elite...

We all have faults...

[kizanski]

I can't understand why anyone would want a sustain block Hamer. The two I had sounded like wafer-thin pieces of shit compared to the two mid-to-late '90s Hamers I have now. Which means they must all sound like that, right?

[DavidE]

All right. I'll pull this. Sorry, I didn't see it is as a PITA. I posted this in response to a suggestion from another board member. I just considered it more specific request (a nice '78).

I guess my posts were more annoying than I thought, and for that I apologize. Really.

-mitch

I didn't either....

[BCR Greg]

I can't understand why anyone would want a sustain block Hamer. The two I had sounded like wafer-thin pieces of shit compared to the two mid-to-late '90s Hamers I have now. Which means they must all sound like that, right?

[MCChris]

[Feynman]

...what Kiz said. I HAVE been flopping around trying to find something that really grabs me. Kiz and acb and a few others had been responding with great advice to my barrage of PMs, so they have seen more of my nuttiness than the general public.

I appreciate the advice, and have no hard feelings about any of it. Everyone has been helpful.

I think the only real answer is going to be owning more than one...