sonicblue1960 Posted June 2, 2007 Posted June 2, 2007 MC thats actually pretty funny!! It was my drunk monkey!!!Zoner, I'll take the guitar back, refund everything including any shipping/handling you may have incurred. But you already know that, everyobody else... wellPish Posh!!!!!Just don't be a Hater!!!
BTMN Posted June 2, 2007 Posted June 2, 2007 I've known Rick for 15 years at least and you guys are wrong for slamming him. Looks like he and Zoner worked it out albeit in a semi-public way. While Rick and I have butted heads in the past we have always worked it out as good friends would. I am suprised to read Chewie's comments too. He never said a word at last years jam about moving the Pearl White Chap IIRC. I did wonder where it was after the jam when I was looking at photos to post. Somethings should almost always be bought after seeing them in hand. Old guitars being one of them. I feel I have been lucky with my purchases of older stuff but I only stick to Hamer in my buying unseen purchases. Face it, guitar buying like this, and even if it was an ad in say Vintage Guitar, is gonna be a "in the eye of the beholder thing" for the most part when it comes to descriptions. I'm thinking Extensive photos prior to purchases, conversations on the phone perhaps, emails, all that might have avoided this whole ugly moment on the HFC. Hmmm, it has been awhile since we had a blowout though....... HEY!! Screw all you guys!!!!!
Scottcrud Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Weee, this is fun! Hey, I like old, played guitars, that way I don't feel bad when I ding em up.
kizanski Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 You know guys, I have been buying and selling guitars for 25 years, not as a dealer but as an enthusiast.I'm a guy with integrity, lots of it, and I have a problem with alot of the stuff you guys have been saying.I have made alot of deals on this board, and everyone, to my knowledge, has been satisfied, both buying and selling stuff.It's also known that I have an open invitation to any HFC guys that want to come by my studio and jam or just hang, talk guitars or drink beer .If there's anyone on this board that has a problem with any deal they have made with me,WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT CONTACT ME DIRECTLY? My phone numbers, both home and cell, are always made available.How about all the deals that were BETTER than described? Don't here too much about that.I was man enough to reveal I was the guy in question,give my word and stand by my deal, giving Zoner any option he wanted, including full refund. I told him, do some research, tell me what you want to do, no worries.Well, it looks like he got a great deal, was very satisfied, and I'm getting trashed on your silly little board, because some of you( you know who are, and we all do, too) are some whiny ass bitches( Zoner, I'm NOT talking about you).And then for Chewie to come late to the party( is that what you call bashing someones rep, a party?)and say Zoner may not be the only one to blah blah blah, thats bullshit. I'm really glad I don't play much guitar anymore, motorcycles and motorcycle people are, for the most part, way cooler and laid back,So.......Enjoy your weekend.ps- I have to say that BCR Greg ( and of course BTMN!!) are the coolest people on this board, and children, you're lucky that BCR doesn't tell you what he really, REALLY, thinks about some of your bullshit, it's really kind of pathetic.Oh yeah, I forgot to add-Kizanski, go fuck yourself!!!I'd been meaning to tell you that for a long fucking time.OK, now I feel better, going for a motorcycle ride...If I get banned by the mods for saying this, I will cry and stamp my feet until I get what I want!!!Well, this is my first opportunity to answer this delusional jerkoff, so all I can say is:Wow, Rick. You sure are an asshole.If you wanted to tell me to go fuck myself for such a long time, what were you waiting for?You have my phone number, so why didn't you call me, rather than tell me on the board like the pussy that you are? Right back atcha, hippie, and shove that guitar up your ass sideways, while you're at it."WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT CONTACT ME DIRECTLY?"Try following your own advice, shithead. You've been selling guitars for so long that you forgot what "mint" and "pristine" mean? The fact that you use those descriptors to anyone other than a blind man is both laughable and unconscionable. The only thing that could possibly make that worse is for you to defend your actions, which you have done multiple times.I think it's absolutely hilarious that, right around the time someone posts a thread about all of the tag lines in For Sale and Auction ads that make us run in the other direction, you use the two most unrealistic and innacurate adjectives while selling this guitar."How about all the deals that were BETTER than described? Don't here too much about that."THAT's your argument? I think even a burnt out space cadet like yourself could see that one situation is a pleasant surprise, while the other is boarderline legally actionable.Do you actually expect someone to complain, "Hey Rick! This guitar is much nicer than you described! You lied to me!" Anyway, I doubt that describing a guitar on the conservative side is something of which you've ever been accused.Again: My comments in prior posts about this guitar and "the seller" were on target, and there about a half-a-dozen others that posted in agreement. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's a well known fact that the truth hurts. That said, when I saw that you were the seller, I barely even raised an eyebrow.I gave you props for trying to right the deal, it's just a shame that you had to be publicly humiliated to make the effort, but that's the kinda stand up guy that you are.I wouldn't dream of suspending or banning you from this board (or locking this thread, for that matter), not for something like showing your true colors, anyway. I would be denying everyone the opportunity to find out what a lying scumbag you really are, and I'm not about to do you that favor.Maybe you set out to unload some of your guitars and you didn't worry about burning bridges along the way because you don't feel the need to be a part of this "silly little board" any longer. Then you could blame the Mods for not being able to return, instead of yourself. Accepting that blame would require a pair of balls, and that rules you out.If you want to go away, just go away. You won't be missed, believe me.Simple question:Why did you lie about the condition of the guitar?I think that's the real issue here.
sonicblue1960 Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 see what I mean-whiny ass bitches. I guess that is better than a delusional hippie burnout asshole pussy space cadet.Thats MR. DELUSIONAL HIPPIE BURNOUT ASSHOLE PUSSY SPACE CADET to you.I am now officially LMFAO!!!Now can I ask you, is this what people who don't have a life do for entertainment??Kizanski, I don't even have to resort to name calling with you because anyone who reads this thread will know who the real asshole is just by your statements.I'm not burning any bridges, I still play guitar, I still buy and sell them.In the future, as a matter of full disclosure, whenever I use the terms "mint and pristine" insert "fucked up piece of worthless shit"!Oh, and by the way, Kizanski, I think your diaper needs to be changed, it smells like poop!!(I'm sorry, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying at my own cleverness)
kizanski Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Yea, you really got me there.Oh boy..."...anyone who reads this thread will know who the real asshole is..."I agree 100%!
MCChris Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 A classic HFC dustup! Bravo, gentlemen!The best part is there's no end in sight, as this question remains unanswered:Why did you lie about the condition of the guitar?
DavidE Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Does this blowup mean there's even the slightest possibility of an Hamer Open House event this year? ;-)
MCChris Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 what can be said though is that the events here have effectively removed "house appraiser", "insurance adjuster" and "American Idol judge" from sonicblue1960's possible career paths,,, (or have they?) He has a bright future as a politician or lawyer.
Dasein Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 There's always... "I fucked up and am sorry" or "after much reflection it wont happen again..."
BCR Greg Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Can I cash in Rick's endorsement of me for a pack of gum and a newspaper?
cmatthes Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Can I cash in Rick's endorsement of me for a pack of gum and a newspaper? Ya may end up owing about $2.25, but sure!
sw686blue Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Can I cash in Rick's endorsement of me for a pack of gum and a newspaper?Why don't you tell us what you really, really think?
jerseydrew Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Can a mod please lock this thread? It's going nowhere other than name calling, and we're supposedly adults here.Please lock it, it's over.
BCR Greg Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Can I cash in Rick's endorsement of me for a pack of gum and a newspaper?Why don't you tell us what you really, really think? Actually, I have had good dealings with Rick. I am attempting levity, and obviously failing.So.......think it's gonna rain tonight?Can a mod please lock this thread? It's going nowhere other than name calling, and we're supposedly adults here.Please lock it, it's over.--------------------JerseydrewIf you like Farts, Poop & Women (not necessarily in that order), then check out my podcasts at JerseyDrew.comIrony Content satisfied.
jerseydrew Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Can a mod please lock this thread? It's going nowhere other than name calling, and we're supposedly adults here.Please lock it, it's over. -------------------- Jerseydrew If you like Farts, Poop & Women (not necessarily in that order), then check out my podcasts at JerseyDrew.com Irony Content satisfied. I actually laughed out loud. I'm telling people to act like adults and I like to talk about farts. Oh boy
kizanski Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Can a mod please lock this thread? It's going nowhere other than name calling, and we're supposedly adults here.Please lock it, it's over.No.
cmatthes Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Can a mod please lock this thread? It's going nowhere other than name calling, and we're supposedly adults here.Please lock it, it's over. -------------------- Jerseydrew If you like Farts, Poop & Women (not necessarily in that order), then check out my podcasts at JerseyDrew.com Irony Content satisfied. I actually laughed out loud. I'm telling people to act like adults and I like to talk about farts. Oh boy That WAS pretty funny!
sonicblue1960 Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Kizanski- you are a douche bag, period.Feel free to read this entire post and get to know Kizanski really well, it makes for an interesting chuckle and it gives clear insight about him.
Dasein Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 The guitar is a Great, Very Clean, Close to Mint, example, find me a better one, for half the moneyThe guy just can't stop. It's not even close to tooti fruiti let alone mint. Might be a great guitar -- great guitars don't have to be mint or close to mint..... I still ask WHY? Why the hyperbole? Just seems like stupid way to burn up credibility.
Scottcrud Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 The guitar is a Great, Very Clean, Close to Mint, example, find me a better one, for half the moneyThe guy just can't stop. It's not even close to tooti fruiti let alone mint. Might be a great guitar -- great guitars don't have to be mint or close to mint..... I still ask WHY? Why the hyperbole? Just seems like stupid way to burn up credibility.Dasein, you have a Boogie MKIIC+!?! Wanna sell it to me?
Zoner Posted June 4, 2007 Author Posted June 4, 2007 The guitar is a Great, Very Clean, Close to Mint, example, find me a better one, for half the moneyHALF THE MONEY, FIND ONE , ANYONEAnd if you guys would have researched itPlease stop, this is getting silly and I'm starting to get pissed again. Great guitar, yes. Very clean? Not really. Close to mint? I don't know what to say. Find a better one for half the money? How about a better one for the same money? What the hell does "half the money" mean, anyway? Are you going to refund "half the money" now? I had to pass on a better one locally for very similar $$$ because YOU HAD ALL MY $$$$!! Yes we worked out a deal, fine, but the constant attempts to defend your actions are making this even worse. I never intended this to become a forum to rip Rick B., I never called you out by name, but YOU chose to jump in and try to justify your actions and now there is piling on. Yes, you offered to refund my $$$, but I didn't like the terms. I fucked up by not asking for detailed pictures and references - I trusted a fellow HFC'er with some history and will NEVER DO THAT AGAIN - My mistake for sure. Long-term HFC'ers are just as capable of being assholes as anyone. You apologized and honored my request and I felt a bit better about the deal, but I'm still not thrilled with the results, just not feeling quite as hosed as when I opened the case expecting a "mint, pristine" Destroyer. We both made mistakes on this deal. Just stop trying to make this look like you didn't grossly misrepresent this guitar. Z
sw686blue Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 From Z's last post, it is pretty clear that he was not (is not) very happy with this transaction. If you have any integrity Sonicblue1960, you'll refund him all his money, including shipping both ways. You lied about the condition of the guitar. Period.
kizanski Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 If you have any integrity Sonicblue1960, you'll refund him all his money, including shipping both ways. You lied about the condition of the guitar. Period.Rule of thumb:If a guy actually feels the need to tell you "I'm a guy with integrity," he probably isn't.So, he still likes me, whatever that means.I never liked him, so I guess nothing has changed.
BCR Greg Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Zoner, do not judge all HFC members by any one member. I have had a ton of sight unseen deals with HFC members, and have had nearly perfect results(near mint results?).In general, this is a great place, tho every road has it's bumps.I would trust an HFC member before any other unknown element. But I would still need justification for terms like "mint" and the like.
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