Steve Haynie Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 The two Page & Plant tours sounded OK to me. If there were mistakes it did not bother me or they were not noticed in the excitement of the live event. When has Page's tone ever been anyone's favorite, anyway?
kizanski Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Maybe the "can Page actually play" remark has to do with the general consensus that he stunk at both Live Aid as well as the Atlantic 40th anniversary three years later... that would be my opinion, but thodr performances were 20 years ago, and I didn't see Plant/Page live.Or it could be in reference to his notoriously sloppy live performances throughout his entire career.He got sloppy in the mid-late 70s due to dancin' with the H. I don't know what his issue was in the 80s.His playing was great in 'Song Remains the Same' era - prolly the peak of his live playing. He wasn't sloppy then. Nor has he been since '94 - but he hasn't been as electric or expressive.If I want precision, I'll listen to someone with flawless technique.Well, he's always been sloppy - even on the studio recordings.Don't get me wrong, I enjoy those recordings, and I'd rather hear "feeling" then steralized technique, but that has always been the knock on him.
Guest pirateflynn Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Well, he's always been sloppy - even on the studio recordings.........that has always been the knock on him.That is definately true. It's one reason why he's hard to copy, because of all the nuances (mistakes). I did hear one guy who really had it down. He nailed it, mistakes and all.
MCChris Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Maybe we can all agree on this: it's gonna be a huge letdown for Jason to return to Foreigner.
Guest Meshuggah Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Maybe the "can Page actually play" remark has to do with the general consensus that he stunk at both Live Aid as well as the Atlantic 40th anniversary three years later... that would be my opinion, but thodr performances were 20 years ago, and I didn't see Plant/Page live.Or it could be in reference to his notoriously sloppy live performances throughout his entire career.That was my first thought. I have yet to see any video where he didn't suck, including the early French TV stuff. Based on that, gotta wonder who really played on Dazed and Cornfused....Clapton?
MCChris Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I have yet to see any video where he didn't suck.We should all be fortunate enough to "suck" as much as Jimmy Page.The only people who give a shit about the sloppiness are musician types. While it's good to have them in your camp as well, ultimately they'll find fault with anything you do (replete with arms folded and variations of "HARRRUMPH!" coming out of their mouths) so fuck 'em.
jisham Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I have yet to see any video where he didn't suck.We should all be fortunate enough to "suck" as much as Jimmy Page.The only people who give a shit about the sloppiness are musician types. While it's good to have them in your camp as well, ultimately they'll find fault with anything you do (replete with arms folded and variations of "HARRRUMPH!" coming out of their mouths) so fuck 'em.Exactly. Having 20 million people enter a lottery to buy one of 18,000 tickets for your show isn't too shabby in my book.
Hamerhack Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 What's with the shades on Jimmy Page? Sometimes he wears them, sometimes not. He didn't have them when I saw Page/Plant in DC.
DavidE Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Sounds like the Jimmy Page I grew up with and emulated.
Stokesdead Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 What I meant to ask is what was the face value of the tickets?does anybody know what the tickets sold for?Anywhere from face value to $160K, if the reports are to be believed.Apparently the lottery winners got a number, and people immediately started auctioning their numbers on Ebay. I see them there now from $300-$2000.Can Page actually PLAY any of his songs on stage? Or are we so star struck that we ignore the obvious???? He's been playing them fine since the '94 Page-Plant thing.
jisham Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Here's part of the Rolling Stone review (obiously not written by a musician <G>):Any doubts about Plant's ability to still hit the high notes, his willingness to go stratospheric, was obliterated at the right, dramatic points in "Since I've Been Loving You" and "Kashmir." Jones and Bonham locked in like family. And Page was a continual shock on guitar, mostly because he has played so little in public for the past decade. At sixty-three, Page is undiminished in his sorcerer's mix of reckless ferocity — stammering runs, strangled howls, granite-block chords — and guitar-army wow. He recreated the harmonized-lick break in "Ramble On" with a sly blend of phasing and natural glide, and evoked the riff-orchestra swoop of "The Song Remains the Same" with a sustained rain of twelve-string harmonics. It was also clear why Page's solo career has been one of fits and starts. In Led Zeppelin, Page built the perfect beast for his fury and ambitions. Last night, he cut and slashed against Jones' percolating clavinet in "Trampled Underfoot" like an enraged butcher, and matched Plant's hairpin cries in the field-holler passages of "Nobody's Fault But Mine" with a devils' choir of distortion.
Guest JackButler Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Watched the clips.. its Page... its NOT as bad as "The Song Remains The Same" footage.. but it ain't stellar.. I don't buy into giving legends a pass simply because they're legends..but usually we forgive them b/c of their status.. honestly, its about what I expected.. but I'd argue with anyone that John Paul Jones is and was the REAL musician in Zep.They tuned down for this too right? I remember reading that instruments were made especially for this gig to accomodate downtuning.
Guest pirateflynn Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 ....Clapton?Clapton bores the hell out of me. IMO, his best work was on While My Guitar Gently Weeps.I'd pick Page anyday for composition and yes ...... for playing.
MCChris Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Here's part of the Rolling Stone review (obiously not written by a musician <G>):No, that's obviously the work of a "writer." Writing nerds are equally insufferable as music nerds. Dude spilled out all of his verbal "stun guitar" licks in that section.I'd also like to amend my previous statement. Few "musician types" criticize musicians, especially undoubtedly successful and legendary ones like Page. Many "musician wannabe types" criticize musicians.
cmatthes Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Well, he's always been sloppy - even on the studio recordings. ........that has always been the knock on him. That is definately true. It's one reason why he's hard to copy, because of all the nuances (mistakes). I did hear one guy who really had it down. He nailed it, mistakes and all. Ken: Who was that, Slash or Joe Perry? Actually, that's one of the things I really LIKE about the playing of all three of the above. Pagey probably screws up/is sloppier than both of the other guys, but when he's on, he's great. It's always been kinda funny to me that he made his name as a session guy too, because he sure never seemed to be that precise of a player. I also FULL-ON agree with McChris above. I greatly admire JPJ as "the man behind the curtain" in that band, but Page and Plant really made it happen with the record-buying/ticket-buying public. The Jason Bonham comment was priceless, btw.
Guest JackButler Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I agree with the thing about writers.. I don't think anyone should necessarily bag on Page.. it is what it is.. most of the older footage of Zep live is like that.. they always land on their feet.. ditto for EVH..my musician comment as it concerned JPJ was is the way he did a lot of the arranging, strings/keyboards, mandolin, etc.. I think his role in Zep has always been somewhat over shadowed by the Plant/Page thing.. you could even say the same is true for the other guys in Aerosmith and them being somewhat outshined and in the shadow of the Tyler/Perry thing.
MCChris Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 my musician comment as it concerned JPJ was is the way he did a lot of the arranging, strings/keyboards, mandolin, etc.. I think his role in Zep has always been somewhat over shadowed by the Plant/Page thing.. you could even say the same is true for the other guys in Aerosmith and them being somewhat outshined and in the shadow of the Tyler/Perry thing.No question. There's a mystique thing with frontmen/lead guitarists. Page/Plant milked that to the hilt, as did Tyler/Perry, Rose/Hudson, etc.One thing all the guitarists in this list had/have in common is that they were WAY into drugs during their primes. Tends to slop things up a bit. Also, I don't get the impression that any of them were woodshedders. They got to a point where they found their voice on guitar and stopped trying to improve technically (which ain't a bad thing IMO).Where Page really shines is on acoustic. No issues with precision there. The big question is, with all the great arrangers in the band, why didn't Zeppelin rearrange their songs without keyboards for the stage? That would have helped. Too much happening on the studio tracks to recreate it with one guitar only (which is a big reason why the Page/Black Crowes stuff is so cool, all the parts from the albums are covered).
polara Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I think JP is only partly sloppy and a lot of his stuff is just phrasing and timing that is his style... lots of blues and jazz involves bouncing off the edges of the beat and the scale, and he sure knows it and feels it. I'll jump in with those who'd rather see an unusual style played with some ragged edges than hear Satriani play scales all day...
Guest JackButler Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Agree that Page shines more on acoustic.
Guest pirateflynn Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 No question. There's a mystique thing with frontmen/lead guitarists. Page/Plant milked that to the hilt........Very true. I remember an article where Jeff Beck said that he and Page were attempting to do basically the same thing right out of the Yardbirds, but the crowd became enamored with Plant ....... and that was the end of that.The other extremely important ingredient. Compositions. Plant and Page had the songs.
DavidE Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 From the few clips I've looked at so far, Plant sounds better now than he did when I saw them in the 70's.I wish they did their acoustic set.
Guest Meshuggah Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Bollocks! Page is sloppy. He was the only musician on drugs during that era? Bollocks. Page is sloppy. Kudos to the myriad of fans who swoon at the mention of the group, but anyone who doesn't is a musician wanna be? Bollocks. Not bringing up Page's ripping off of songs from other artisits and passing them off as his own? Bollocks.Bollocks I say. ZepI was cool because it was different. The rest? Meh.
MCChris Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 anyone who doesn't is a musician wanna be?I said "many." If you took offense to it, you're obviously among the many.
sirDaniel Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 tough crowd. they didn't have to do this, the world asked for it.
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