kizanski Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 That's the earliest Standard I've seen for sale in twenty years (other than mine).Well, there was this one...
acb Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 While the guard might not be original, $6 OR $8k is not a bad price for this IMHO. ... a white early Standard is stupid rare and a bound headstock to boot. If I had the $$...! +1 the price seems to be right for a rare vintage standard custom in good condition with one owner.easy to forget how many of the earliest ones didn't survive the 70s.
cmatthes Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 The pickguard is a relatively minor (and repairable, hopefully!) mod. An evil Kahler is not on a guitar like that one...
intelligentpony Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 My Standard was built it part due to Mr Barre's relationship with Hamer. The original owner had it built after his SG Custom was stolen. He asked me what would be a good guitar to get to replace the SG and I mentioned Hamer. He didn't recognize the name until I mention the Guitar Player ads with Martin in them. He was a Tull fan and the light bulb went on. The guitar was ordered in '77, in '78 he got the guitar and I got it 25 years later. Thanks Martin!
intelligentpony Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 The pickguard ain't original.With all the speculation here I asked the seller about the pick guard and here is his reply:"Hi yes it is it was put on when the guitar was made I know you don't see that with Hamers but I wanted it put on when they made it for me"
kizanski Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 The pickguard ain't original.With all the speculation here I asked the seller about the pick guard and here is his reply:"Hi yes it is it was put on when the guitar was made I know you don't see that with Hamers but I wanted it put on when they made it for me"Not that I'm calling the seller a liar, but if that were true, I would expect it to fit better.In other words, he's lying.
veatch Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 The pickguard ain't original.With all the speculation here I asked the seller about the pick guard and here is his reply:"Hi yes it is it was put on when the guitar was made I know you don't see that with Hamers but I wanted it put on when they made it for me" Not that I'm calling the seller a liar, but if that were true, I would expect it to fit better. In other words, he's lying. I think ("think" being the operative word) that it is too hard to tell based upon the picture in the ad. The lining of the case might be overlapping the guitar a bit making the fit of the pickguard to look worse than it is. Look at the headstock of the guitar in the case. I would be inclined to believe that it is what the seller claims, but he really needs some better pics. And again, i wouldn't consider it (even if i could afford it) without actually touching the guitar first. But... i ramble... Any way you look at it, we are talking about number 0020 here. Interesting enough for 32 posts with 8 days left on the auction... Edit to add link to pic in auction:
kizanski Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 I think ("think" being the operative word) that it is too hard to tell based upon the picture in the ad. The lining of the case might be overlapping the guitar a bit making the fit of the pickguard to look worse than it is.You make a good point. That could very well be the case.
Mindseyes Posted May 27, 2008 Posted May 27, 2008 0 feedback and crap pics and i mean CRAP pics, come on man your asking $8K for a guitar with pics that look like a 2 year old took......No freaken way i going to take a chance. The whole changing the price thing just rubs my nuts the wrong way to!If someone around here takes a shot at it my prayers are with you!I hope all of us have learnded a good lesson after what happend to RoyB not to long ago.on the other hand......were does one come up with pics of such a rare guitar in the first place????????
Guest pirateflynn Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 San Clemente ain't that far.......... we can hit the Richard Nixon museum while we're at it. Who's up for a drive?
elduave Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I think ("think" being the operative word) that it is too hard to tell based upon the picture in the ad. The lining of the case might be overlapping the guitar a bit making the fit of the pickguard to look worse than it is.You make a good point. That could very well be the case.+1 on the case lining being the culprit (IMO).
Guest pirateflynn Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Look! Martin with a "matching" Sunburst @ 1980: Wow, I've never saw that pic before, Chris. Cool! I bet those dudes got a lot of babes ... lol
serial Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 My Standard was built it part due to Mr Barre's relationship with Hamer. The original owner had it built after his SG Custom was stolen. He asked me what would be a good guitar to get to replace the SG and I mentioned Hamer. He didn't recognize the name until I mention the Guitar Player ads with Martin in them. He was a Tull fan and the light bulb went on. The guitar was ordered in '77, in '78 he got the guitar and I got it 25 years later. Thanks Martin!Paul Hamer mentioned that the original necks, while custom-ordered to spec on many occasions, were originally patterned after a 61 SG/LP Custom they had. While I love a fat neck, the profile on the early Hamers is killer. Slimmer and comfortable, but not skinny/narrow.
MCChris Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 If someone around here takes a shot at it my prayers are with you!Mine aren't. Deal with this scheister and get screwed, well, you got what you deserved.
dirk Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I think ("think" being the operative word) that it is too hard to tell based upon the picture in the ad. The lining of the case might be overlapping the guitar a bit making the fit of the pickguard to look worse than it is.You make a good point. That could very well be the case.+1 on the case lining being the culprit (IMO).I got a better pic from the pickguard of this particular guitar.It doesn't look too bad and might be original.
DavidE Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 What a bunch of negative dick wads we have here!It's obvious in that photo that something (looks like cloth of some kind) is sitting on top of the edge of the guitar making the pickguard look too big.Poor photos yes, but verifiably non-original? Nope.Ugly? Maybe. But it just might be an all original early 4 digit in fantastic condition. I hope whoever is crazy enough to drop that dough on it appreciates it.
MCChris Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 What a bunch of negative dick wads we have here!This is news to you? Not all of us are able to preside over drunken pudding wrestling matches as we whistle Dixie out of our assholes.There's good reason to be suspicious here. For starters, the guitar is on eBay, a known haven for the lowest of the low, the world's scumbags, snake-oil salesmen and ne'er do wells who would screw their own grandmothers for a buck. The zero feedback rating and the chicanery regarding the different opening prices support this assertion.But the dead giveaway is this quote from the half-witted ad copy:"I am not out to screw anyone."Anyone who makes a point of saying that is INDEED out to screw someone. Same as when a person opens a story with "true story" or "I swear to God this is true," you can be assured that what you're about to hear is complete, unadulterated bullshit.
kizanski Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 What a bunch of negative dick wads we have here!This is news to you? Not all of us are able to preside over drunken pudding wrestling matches as we whistle Dixie out of our assholes.There's good reason to be suspicious here. For starters, the guitar is on eBay, a known haven for the lowest of the low, the world's scumbags, snake-oil salesmen and ne'er do wells who would screw their own grandmothers for a buck. The zero feedback rating and the chicanery regarding the different opening prices support this assertion.But the dead giveaway is this quote from the half-witted ad copy:"I am not out to screw anyone."Anyone who makes a point of saying that is INDEED out to screw someone. Same as when a person opens a story with "true story" or "I swear to God this is true," you can be assured that what you're about to hear is complete, unadulterated bullshit.There it is!...and Ice Cream Man rules!
cmatthes Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 But the dead giveaway is this quote from the half-witted ad copy:"I am not out to screw anyone." Anyone who makes a point of saying that is INDEED out to screw someone. Same as when a person opens a story with "true story" or "I swear to God this is true," you can be assured that what you're about to hear is complete, unadulterated bullshit. No offense intended to anyone at all, but along those lines, EVERY SINGLE TIME (yes, no exceptions!) that I have heard/read "We are a Christian business", the seller has been a crook, theif, liar or @$$hole. This is nothing against Christians, but the fact that most often, less than scrupulous individuals use this as some sort of "holy shield" and it turns on every red light possible with me. Why would one assume that makes that seller more honest than anybody else? I never hear anybody saying, "We are a Hindu business" or "we are a Jewish business", etc... Rant off. As far as #0020 goes, $6k and even $8k is a fair price for this guitar in any unbroken/unrouted condition. I still have my doubts as to the originality of the pickguard, but what the hell - these early Hamers were custom instruments, and a buyer could order whatever they wanted. The bottom line is that you will not likely find a Hamer that early for much less than that. If you do, then compare your lucky lottery numbers with Matt Ervin's - I bet they match!
dirk Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Post that one, Dirk!Well, i'm not sure if that's ok since i got the pic from the seller.I'm not affiliated with the seller but from the pics i saw that guitar appears to be straight.The bridge pickup is probably wrong.That guy is located in California. If i lived in the US i would take a trip to his place to see that guitar in person.Come on guys, a 1977 Standard, white, crowns, headstock binding, no breaks, s/n 0020, one owner for 8000USD???I think it's a good deal.
Siaip Ciuvas Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 8K$ is starting price. I wouldn't be surprised, that one who should fly in to check it in person will learn that Buy It Now of course is double of that
dirk Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 8K$ is starting price. I wouldn't be surprised, that one who should fly in to check it in person will learn that Buy It Now of course is double of that I don't think so. I might as well be only a tad more than the starting price
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