Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Right now there are my:Hamer EchotoneHamer USA Artist CustomAlvarez AcousticBid early, bid often!!!I will cancel the Artist Custom if it doesn't get high enough. I'm not planning on losing money on these...
atquinn Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 I will cancel the Artist Custom if it doesn't get high enough. I'm not planning on losing money on these... That doesn't exactly inspire one to bid -Austin
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 I will cancel the Artist Custom if it doesn't get high enough. I'm not planning on losing money on these... That doesn't exactly inspire one to bid -Austin Hmmm...I didn't intend it that way. Let me put it this way, if you're hoping to get an Artist Custom in near-mint condition for $150, no, you're dreaming. But I won't cancel it if it gets up above $1k. So even if you didn't want to buy it, you could safely push the bid up to $995 or so without worrying that you'd be stuck with it. I won't cancel on the other guitars at all.
srvwannab Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Not to be a buzz-kill or anything, but thats why they have reserves on ebay. The notion of no reserve auctions that get cancelled when the price doesn't meet the "reserve" don't seem right to me.With that said, that's a gorgeous guitar!
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 Not to be a buzz-kill or anything, but thats why they have reserves on ebay. The notion of no reserve auctions that get cancelled when the price doesn't meet the "reserve" don't seem right to me.With that said, that's a gorgeous guitar!I know what you mean about hating it when it gets cancelled earlyBut I don't like "reserve" because they charge you more for it!Still, $1000 for a Hamer USA Artist Custom is a steal! (if other people let you get it that cheaply).I'm not out to screw anyone, just want to make sure I don't get raped.Someone sold an Artist Custom just here on the board for $1200 a few weeks back, I think. It may have had upgraded pickups, but I don't think it was significantly better than the one I'm selling, if at all.So it is a good deal for anyone who really wants to pay what an Artist Custom is worth.
murkat Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Dang, didnt you just nail that echotone for buckfidy? turning it already? I'll trade you some nice pickups for it
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 Dang, didnt you just nail that echotone for buckfidy? turning it already? I'll trade you some nice pickups for it Yeah, I have enough other guitars (picked up a Peavey Vandenberg--pictures after it arrives, looking at a good-priced Chaparral, and love my SATF, Stellar 1, and Korean Cali enough) that I just don't see me playing the Echotone much. The other reason I'm flipping it is I've also decided I'm not much into swapping out pickups...(I suck at soldering), so a set of nice pickups wouldn't help me that much. I might be willing to trade for a Hamer import shredder, though.
rooster69f Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Hey Nate! READ UP!!!!!!!Cancelling the auction because you don't like where it is heading is a VIOLATION OF EBAY POLICY!That is EXACTLY what they have Reserve for!You are only allowed to cancel auctions in limited circumstances. Not getting a high enough price is not one of them! Granted, you wouldn't be the first guy who did it. But I have had sellers do it to me and I sure don't appreciate it. And I have complained formally to Ebay about it too.And Oh, BTW, what the heck does this quote from you mean: "So even if you didn't want to buy it, you could safely push the bid up to $995 or so without worrying that you'd be stuck with it." Are you really trying to get us to shill bid? Unreal. I don't even know what to say there. I've bought over 50 guitars on Ebay and I would hate to think that this is common.None of us want to offend you. But if you haven't figured it out yet, you are kind of offending us. So how about you take care of this right now? Cancel the listing NOW and tell Ebay it is because you made a mistake in the Reserve price (that is a legitimate reason for cancelling!). Then relist it the right way with a reserve!It is the right thing to do, dude. THANKS!
DavidE Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Not to be a buzz-kill or anything, but thats why they have reserves on ebay. The notion of no reserve auctions that get cancelled when the price doesn't meet the "reserve" don't seem right to me.With that said, that's a gorgeous guitar!+1You should have set a reserve. What does it cost, 50 cents or something???? Folks! We found someone here cheaper than me! Geez.What you're doing violates Ebay's terms of service as well which could cause issues with your account. You should probably kill the auction and relist with a reserve because by doing what you intend, you could be missing out on the last second bid that gets there guitar where you want it.
srvwannab Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Yet another reason ebay sucks Not to be argumentative, but does it suck because it charges fees for reserve auctions or because every system relies (the newspaper classified ads, guitar forums, and even ebay) on people to do the right thing?So, with all due respect, in my experience it isn't ebay that sucks... its some of the people that use it. The good news is, at least in my experience, virtually all of my over 300 + transactions on ebay have been fantastic.Now back to your regularly scheduled programing... I do need an Artist Custom- How would somebody describe the tone vs. the Studio Custom's with the same pickups?Thanks!
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 I apologize for offending anyone.I've never yet canceled an auction, but this one scares me because I have more money in it than I have ever put into a guitar before. I can't hold on to it too long, because I need to get my investment back. I just found out I'm heading to Iraq for a year, so I can't wait for the economy to return.I dislike "reserve" because the last time I used it, they charged me a percentage based on the reserve price, so I believed a $1k reserve would increase the listing cost to above $10; maybe that's not much, but it's just money thrown away. Maybe that's not their policy now, dunno. Then when/if it sells, they take another percentage. Then PayPal takes a percentage of the selling price. Before you know it, I've got to get $100 more than I purchased it just to keep from losing money...if I can make that $90 instead of $100, it just makes it easier.I admit: I guess haven't read all of eBay's policies. I skimmed through the fine print and just started selling. It is also possible they have changed their policies since have seen people place in their listing: I will cancel if it doesn't get to "such and such" a bid amount. I have seen people place in their listing: I will cancel if I sell locally. None of these listings were ever canceled by eBay for violating policy. But that doesn't make my earlier decision right.I have never stopped an auction and worked a deal without eBay. I guess that won't do much to rehabilitate my reputation on the board, though.I've changed my mind now. I offer my sincere apologies. I've learned my lesson, and won't cancel no matter what happens with the bid.
rooster69f Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Very cool, Nate!I have the utmost respect for people who are able to take criticism and respond to it without getting defensive.You are A+ now in my book! Good luck with your auction! It is a beautiful guitar.I think everyone has had their say now and this all worked out fine. So I think we should all agree that further posts should now be only about the guitar and questions related to it. Like the man said, "Help a brother out!"(P.S.: there is a guy on The Gear Page looking for a Custom Artist. I linked your auction into the thread as a final way of saying "thanks!")
marcnorth Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 It looks like we have a lot of Ebay police on the forum.So what if he cancels his auction, It's his auction and not yours or anyone elses. Ebay sucks anyway. I still use it but they have managed to screw the little guy's to where it's hard to even sell anymore.They still get their money for the listing. They didn't lose anything from it.I've never listed anything that I didn't say in the auction "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for any reason" and I cancelled many that didn't make the price I was looking for. I never received anything from ebay that told me I was breaking the rules.It really comes down to if you don't like it don't bid on it.And just to make things clear we all know "Ebay Sucks".
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 Very cool, Nate!I have the utmost respect for people who are able to take criticism and respond to it without getting defensive.You are A+ now in my book! Good luck with your auction! It is a beautiful guitar.I think everyone has had their say now and this all worked out fine. So I think we should all agree that further posts should now be only about the guitar and questions related to it. Like the man said, "Help a brother out!"(P.S.: there is a guy on The Gear Page looking for a Custom Artist. I linked your auction into the thread as a final way of saying "thanks!")Well, it wasn't easy to accept, actually. I had a somewhat defensive post written at first, but changed it before I posted. The edit was because I wanted to explain a little bit more about needing to get more money than I bought it for just to break even.But I do want to be a high-character person, with integrity. I guess this was a blind spot for me where I didn't realize what I was thinking was wrong. Accepting that I was wrong is the right way to go.This forum is important to me. I care what the people here think of me. I don't want to be known as that jerk who cancels eBay auctions.So (this time, at least), shaming of bad behavior by a society worked.Edited to add: Thanks for giving me a chance to backtrack/correct myself. I'm committed, in front of all of you, to not canceling the auction, no matter what happens.
Pieman Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 The Artist Custom is a nice guitar and worth well over $1000. I would not get worked up over ebay policy because this will go north of $1K. At least he was honest and told the HFC his plans and rationale. Nathan, maybe another approach would have been to start your bidding at $1K - - or does ebay charge a fee based on starting bid?Do you have a reserve on the Echotone?
mirrorimij Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Nathan, I applaud you for wanting to do the right thing. One thing to consider, eBay does allow you to end the auction early if "you made a mistake when entering the listing, starting price, or reserve amount". If you think it was a mistake to not spend the extra money to set a reserve price or start the bidding at a price where you wouldn't lose money you may want to end and relist. That is one interpretation of that rule.I wouldn't risk losing hundreds in order to save ten bucks. Good luck with your auctions. Just a little friendly advice. You may have better luck selling to people here if you refrain from the "look what I scored for $150" posts followed by the "I'm gonna flip it for $350" posts. Bob
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 The Artist Custom is a nice guitar and worth well over $1000. I would not get worked up over ebay policy because this will go north of $1K. At least he was honest and told the HFC his plans and rationale. Nathan, maybe another approach would have been to start your bidding at $1K - - or does ebay charge a fee based on starting bid?Do you have a reserve on the Echotone?No reserve on the Echotone.Nathan, I applaud you for wanting to do the right thing. One thing to consider, eBay does allow you to end the auction early if "you made a mistake when entering the listing, starting price, or reserve amount". If you think it was a mistake to not spend the extra money to set a reserve price or start the bidding at a price where you wouldn't lose money you may want to end and relist. That is one interpretation of that rule.I wouldn't risk losing hundreds in order to save ten bucks. Good luck with your auctions. Just a little friendly advice. You may have better luck selling to people here if you refrain from the "look what I scored for $150" posts followed by the "I'm gonna flip it for $350" posts. BobWell, it's more, "I'm going to flip it for what I can get for it...I think I can get $350".I just figure that this board can't be *all* the people that are interested in Hamers, and that there should be enough interest to get a good price on 'em. I guess I just considered y'all my friends, and while I never try to rip off anyone, I especially wouldn't want to make money at the expense of a friend, so I didn't really consider anyone on this board to be a likely customer of mine.But your point is well taken. I will be more careful not to cause troubles for myself through my urge to brag.
Siaip Ciuvas Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Well, it's more, "I'm going to flip it for what I can get for it...I think I can get $350".I just figure that this board can't be *all* the people that are interested in Hamers, and that there should be enough interest to get a good price on 'em. I guess I just considered y'all my friends, and while I never try to rip off anyone, I especially wouldn't want to make money at the expense of a friend, so I didn't really consider anyone on this board to be a likely customer of mine.But your point is well taken. I will be more careful not to cause troubles for myself through my urge to brag.this board is also known more as a place of real brothers, who care of each other without any financial use. There are loads of good stories of board members helping each other (buying a guitar from a member at bad times and selling back with no profit when he is able to do so is just one out of many good examples, not to mention that I've got my Riff just because of one member's goodwill to carry it in his hands over the pond), that an idea of chippin an extra coin from this group of people to me looks quite shamefull idea.Or at least make it in a less public way - "help a brother out" and "I am not going to make a loss on this" doesn't help.
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 23, 2009 Author Posted February 23, 2009 And, we're all gay, as are the KC Chiefs.At 4-12 in 2007 and 2-14 in 2008, yeah: the Chiefs were lame and pretty much useless.Everyone on this board? Not so much.My original post in this thread? Yes: lame, stupid, and worthless.
DavidE Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 The Artist Custom is a nice guitar and worth well over $1000. I would not get worked up over ebay policy because this will go north of $1K. At least he was honest and told the HFC his plans and rationale. Nathan, maybe another approach would have been to start your bidding at $1K - - or does ebay charge a fee based on starting bid?Do you have a reserve on the Echotone?I'll bet the guy whose Studio Custom sold recently for next to nothing thought he'd get at least a grand too.I think it costs something like 50 cents to add a reserve. I forget what it is, but it's dirt cheap. No reason not to.
jujisque Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 this board is also known more as a place of real brothers, who care of each other without any financial use. There are loads of good stories of board members helping each other ...Exactly why I love this place and really frequent no other forum ...
jorg Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 I just figure that this board can't be *all* the people that are interested in Hamers, and that there should be enough interest to get a good price on 'em. I guess I just considered y'all my friends, and while I never try to rip off anyone, I especially wouldn't want to make money at the expense of a friend, so I didn't really consider anyone on this board to be a likely customer of mine.A lot of people know there's a forum out there for most anything. I wouldn't be surprised if people check here before bidding/buying. You never know how much info you can find just by looking. . .
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