RoyB Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Why almost??? It's killing me, but am I missing something?
David B Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Why almost??? It's killing me, but am I missing something?Is it gone?
veatch Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Just saw that one, too. "I almost" as well, just no money right now.
Bluesking Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Called about it today - same owner for the last 20 years and hasn't been played much.It has no case and is missing the control cavity cover. I might demo it tomorrow - I'll report back if I do.
David B Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Called about it today - same owner for the last 20 years and hasn't been played much. It has no case and is missing the control cavity cover. I might demo it tomorrow - I'll report back if I do. If you buy it & want to sell it, I'll give you $400 + shipping + fee for your trouble.
Lockbody Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I almost.........You shoulda. Now he wants almost twice as much!
zorrow Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Yeah, keep us posted. If that's a clean one, you'll score BIG.
atquinn Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I almost......... You shoulda. Now he wants almost twice as much! Nothing like a Craigslist pseudo-auction! -Austin
hamerhead Posted August 18, 2009 Author Posted August 18, 2009 No typo - it said $400 twice. I wouldn't buy it now if he hand-delivered it and sucked my dick. He's one of those who'd tell the first guy who 'pounced' that he got $XXX higher offer and you'd need to top it. Stupid ass should have ebayed it.
veatch Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 F*ck 'em. Offer him $350. This morning, the ad read: $400 OR BEST OFFER...
zorrow Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 400 bucks would be just fine. Just make an offer to him, period. You can even tell him Mr Vector here in the HFC (just gave myself that title ) says that he wouldn't buy it even at $350 because it has no original case and the back plate is missing... I guess the seller is now in a very bad position to sell it around here, right? --ok, I won't buy it just because I already own five Vectors, but you can keep that information for yourself.
Bluesking Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Settle down, folks.The seller's decision to raise the price on the Vector is my fault. After speaking with the seller for a bit, it was clear that it was their first time selling anything online - CraigsList or otherwise. It was also clear that they didn't know the value of the instrument.I simply suggested to do a little research about the Vector so they could be a more informed seller.It's obvious that they discovered that a 81 Vector (w/ the OHSC by the way) is worth more than $400.There never was a bait and switch thing going on here - in fact, the seller is attempting to raise cash to cover some serious vet bills. I just spoke with the seller, and contrary to the above rants, still offered me the guitar much lower than $650.A lot of wrong assumptions were made by some here at the HFC. It's too bad - I told the seller to check out this forum for some unbiased and great info on early Hamers. Well, they did, and found a largely acidic group of people complaining about something they didn't know anything about with offending language to boot.Some might say that I shot myself in the foot by not grabbing it for a low price. Maybe so, but I felt like I would have been taking advantage of somebody who had nothing but honest intentions. If you want to throw spears at anyone, throw 'em at me and leave the seller out of it.At the end of the day, that guitar is worth every bit of $650 and everyone here knows it. Don't bitch because somebody realized what they had and adjusted the price accordingly.
atquinn Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 ...The seller's decision to raise the price on the Vector is my fault. After speaking with the seller for a bit, it was clear that it was their first time selling anything online - CraigsList or otherwise. It was also clear that they didn't know the value of the instrument... I'm not sure anyone knows what the value of anything is in this current economic climate! If that Vector's worth $650 they'll sell it, if not, they won't. No biggie for me either way since I wouldn't have a guitar that ugly in my home even for the purpose of flipping it! Anyway, this sort of thing has always struck me as one of the problems with Craiglist. People who don't know what something is worth list it on CL because it's free and take very little effort. Then they end up raising the price (sometimes too high) once they realize (or think they realize) what they've got. And in the process they end up pissing off half the people who were interested in the item in the first place. Definitely not a good idea when you're selling a luxury item (I mean, no one needs a guitar do they?) In this situation, an auction with a $1 starting price would be a better way to go, but of course nowadays it's impossible for a newbie to sell anything on eBay so what can you do? -Austin
zorrow Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Settle down, folks.The seller's decision to raise the price on the Vector is my fault. After speaking with the seller for a bit, it was clear that it was their first time selling anything online - CraigsList or otherwise. It was also clear that they didn't know the value of the instrument.I simply suggested to do a little research about the Vector so they could be a more informed seller.It's obvious that they discovered that a 81 Vector (w/ the OHSC by the way) is worth more than $400.There never was a bait and switch thing going on here - in fact, the seller is attempting to raise cash to cover some serious vet bills. I just spoke with the seller, and contrary to the above rants, still offered me the guitar much lower than $650.A lot of wrong assumptions were made by some here at the HFC. It's too bad - I told the seller to check out this forum for some unbiased and great info on early Hamers. Well, they did, and found a largely acidic group of people complaining about something they didn't know anything about with offending language to boot.Some might say that I shot myself in the foot by not grabbing it for a low price. Maybe so, but I felt like I would have been taking advantage of somebody who had nothing but honest intentions. If you want to throw spears at anyone, throw 'em at me and leave the seller out of it.At the end of the day, that guitar is worth every bit of $650 and everyone here knows it. Don't bitch because somebody realized what they had and adjusted the price accordingly.I think your comment is fair and I apologize for adding some fuel to the fire too.We actually behave sometimes like a sort of "sect" --"we" (the HFC'ers) versus "them" (those who aren't members of our selected club). It's a shame, but that's how we are. With my previous post I was just playing the game for you as "one of us", but I understand it's not fair to others --you would "score", while the seller would be "screwed".So man, I really think that if that guitar is clean and functional, it would be reasonable to pay between 500 or 600 bucks for it, yes. That's because I also think no matter how the economy is going, a guitar always has an intrinsic value to it --it might either sell or not, but it is worth something anyway.Good luck then with the purchase, if it ever worked out for you --and if you ever get it, please share some pictures of it with us.Cheers!
RoyB Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Settle down, folks.The seller's decision to raise the price on the Vector is my fault. After speaking with the seller for a bit, it was clear that it was their first time selling anything online - CraigsList or otherwise. It was also clear that they didn't know the value of the instrument.I simply suggested to do a little research about the Vector so they could be a more informed seller.It's obvious that they discovered that a 81 Vector (w/ the OHSC by the way) is worth more than $400.There never was a bait and switch thing going on here - in fact, the seller is attempting to raise cash to cover some serious vet bills. I just spoke with the seller, and contrary to the above rants, still offered me the guitar much lower than $650.A lot of wrong assumptions were made by some here at the HFC. It's too bad - I told the seller to check out this forum for some unbiased and great info on early Hamers. Well, they did, and found a largely acidic group of people complaining about something they didn't know anything about with offending language to boot.Some might say that I shot myself in the foot by not grabbing it for a low price. Maybe so, but I felt like I would have been taking advantage of somebody who had nothing but honest intentions. If you want to throw spears at anyone, throw 'em at me and leave the seller out of it.At the end of the day, that guitar is worth every bit of $650 and everyone here knows it. Don't bitch because somebody realized what they had and adjusted the price accordingly.You did what you think is right and it's the guy's guitar to do with what he wants. I don't agree that a well played Vector missing it's case and back plate is worth $650, but to each his own. If it's too much it will sit there. I will say buying something from a person at the price they offer something for is not taking advantage of them. As the seller it's their item and their place to decide on what they want for it, so unless I was asked for my opinion on a price I would either buy it or not, but I would not price something for them or tell them they should ask more. Just my two cents.
cmatthes Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I agree with Roy B. 100%, if not more.As the seller, it is your responsibility to research your potential market beforehand or else expect to take your lumps. That's where the seller screwed up, in my opinion. I also don't see it as the HFC ganging up on the guy/girl. They waffled on the price, so that gave the impression that they can't be trusted or are getting greedy because there's a sudden interest in the guitar. We've seen the "bait and switch" thing play out dozens of times with CL sellers, and it leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.No pity here, but I also think that they'll have a tougher time trying to sell it for the inflated price with missing parts and case. Straight ones sell for less than that.Good luck to them anyway.
hamerhead Posted August 19, 2009 Author Posted August 19, 2009 I apologize as well. More than once a craigslister has pulled what I described above, and I get pissy pretty quick when I see/hear it.By all means they should get what it's worth - BUT - they should know what it's worth before posting it for sale, or, as Austin suggested, eBay it. That'll tell you in a few days what it's worth.Again, I sincerely apologize. I try not to vent here, but sometimes it slips out.
RoyB Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I've always had a personal rule that the price posted is the price, and no changes up are tolerated. I had a guy who offered to sell me a Standard for a price he set and when I said yes I get this e-mail back saying he had found it was worth more and how would I feel about paying an extra $400? My answer was keep it. Was it a fair (not great) price with the added $400? Yes but not to me when he already said he would take less.
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