ZR Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I was reading in the advertising section of the Hamer USA site and it showed an ad for the Daytona and T-51 which stated the stock colors at the time of the ad as being vintage white, tobacco burst, transparent white (Mary Kayeish?) and Daphne Blue. I've never seen a Daphne Blue Hamer before. Have you?
AdmiralB Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 A buddy of mine (ex-HFCer) had a '93 Daytona in Daphne. It was the lightest Strat I've ever handled.
hardheartedbill Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 a light Daytona? I thought they were all heavyish
ArnieZ Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I have an alder Datona that is not heavy at all!ArnieZ
ZR Posted March 16, 2005 Author Posted March 16, 2005 That's intersting Admiral. That year still would have been Ash too. Do you think that the grain of the wood has a lot to do with the weight of a guitar? Meaning, I would think that they would choose the best looking grain patterns for transparent finishes and the more plain looking bodies, possibly with less pronounce grain patterns, for the solid color bodies. I wonder if the more plain looking wood possibly weighs less? Or, is it just luck of the draw?Why does Hamer's Ash bodies seem to weigh more than other Ash bodies?Are all the alder body Daytonas lighter than their earlier Ash counterparts? Also, why does Hamer's ash transparent finishes not look quite as good as others like those by Godin etc. It's hard to see the grain at different angles. More so than other guitars . They have more of a solid look to them (except Hamer's green trans finish usually looks good). Do the other shops dye /stain black first, sand off except what's left in the open grain and then finish with the trans. finish?
AdmiralB Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I don't think grain matters. Ash is MOSTLY heavy. Pick up any new ash Fender and MOST of them are heavier than alder, unless they've been hand-picked for weight.I had (Greg C has it now) a '96 alder two-tone burst Daytona that was the second-lightest Strat I've played, so they ARE out there if that is your thing.I do think Godin double-stains.
ZR Posted March 16, 2005 Author Posted March 16, 2005 Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I guess in descriptions of light Ash bodies they make a big deal about it being light but in general they should be heavier. The Vintage Guitar Mag. Hamer article mentioned that at the end of the Daytona run they had some in a maple body. Anyone ever see one of those? I haven't but I love my Hamer Chap Custom in maple.
ZR Posted March 16, 2005 Author Posted March 16, 2005 Yeah, Daphne was pretty cute! Not sure why she's blue though. Probably because they don't make cool Hamer shredders and bolt-ons anymore!
AdmiralB Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I would be VERY surprised to see a maple Daytona. That VG series was rife with errors - they may have been thinking Vintage S.Daytonas were made until at least '97, there may be some with '98 serial numbers. I don't there are any maple-bodied guitars done that recently save Phoenix's Monaco.
silentman Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I've been told my Daytona is light. I haven't handled too many to make that generalization. It's ash.
JohnnyB Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Ash is MOSTLY heavy. Pick up any new ash Fender and MOST of them are heavier than alder, unless they've been hand-picked for weight.I had (Greg C has it now) a '96 alder two-tone burst Daytona that was the second-lightest Strat I've played, so they ARE out there if that is your thing.Yeah. Ash's density is all over the map. That's why the guitar makers all claim to use "swamp ash," which presumably would grow in a warm, wet climate, making the grain less dense. Pick up most new guits made of ash, however, and very few deliver on this. It's my understanding that the lumber industry doesn't have a "swamp ash" designation, however, and it may just be musical instrument marketspeak.The very early Fenders were made with one-piece ash bodies. For solid body guitars, Leo just about had the supply all to himself. I had a guitar teacher who had a 1951-2 Tele with one-piece ash body and it was reeeallly light. So light and resonant it sounded like a thinline hollow body. Also have a friend who made his own 1951-repro Esquire. He got a hand-selected one-piece ash body from Warmoth, and I believe his finished project (with period-correct thick-ass neck) came in at under 7 lbs.About the heaviest ash guitar I've picked up is one of those '80s-era Peavey T-60s or whatever they were. They make LPs feel like they were made of balsa, er excuse me, chromyte.
serial Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Daphne looks a little jaundiced to me. Not blue. Of course in the episode where they were all sniffing glue in the Mystery Machine...
BadgerDave Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I usually thought of this one as surf green, but it was probably closer to Daphne Blue. Weight was around 7.5 lbs.
cmatthes Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Seafoam was a stock color for a while. I don't see Daphne Blue on any of my color sheets from that era, but anything's possible!
AdmiralB Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 I always thought my bud's was Sonic Blue, but I'm not really hip to the old Fender color names. If there are any Burgundy Mist Daytonas out there, I want one!
Nuclear Wessel Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Here ya go. This is a really nice specimen and a great shot. Someone who had this for sale a few years ago sent me the pic. I decided I didn't have the cash, but it's one nice looking guitar. His contact info has been deleted, so unfortunately I can't help you if you're interested in contacting him.
AdmiralB Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Pretty sure that's the one I'm talking about. It belonged to Perry Rice, who was a member here for a while.
Michael_ Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Uh oh. I think I'm running a temperature...I might have...Daytona Fever!
Guest Buck Dharma Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 My seafoam 94 is a little heavy. It's not real heavy but after playing my old Chandler Alder Strat I can't get used to it. It looks and sounds great but doesn't feel as good as the one I was used too. I may be putting it on the selling blocks soon. Even with the Lindy Fralin's I like my old one better. I sold the Chandler like a dumbass, even after at least five friends who play told me not too.
Cary Posted March 16, 2005 Posted March 16, 2005 Is my 80 Special (on the left) considered Daphne Blue?
ZR Posted March 17, 2005 Author Posted March 17, 2005 I think that is Daphne Blue. It looks different in various photos. The only mention I see of Daphne Blue is in that one Daytona ad in Hamer's history section.Sonic Blue is lighter than Daphne Blue.Seafoam green can look great to me or bad, depends on the lighting.
ZR Posted March 17, 2005 Author Posted March 17, 2005 From an ebay ad...re. a Strat...>>>in Sonic Blue (just like John Lennon and George Harrison's matching pair)>>>Does anyone know what they're tlaking about?
cmatthes Posted March 17, 2005 Posted March 17, 2005 Fender presented John and George with matching Sonic Blue Strats around the MMT days. George painted his all Psychedelic, and that one is the now oft-copied "Be-Bop-A-Lula" Strat.John either gave his away or sanded it down to natural, because that's just what he did, I guess.
ZR Posted March 17, 2005 Author Posted March 17, 2005 Thanks for the reply. I also found this on Wolf Marshall's site...>>>>>The Beatles Guitar Soundby Wolf MarshallWhen the Beatles were in the studio recording Help!, John Lennon and George Harrison acquired matching Sonic Blue Fender Stratocasters. George first played his on "You're Going To Lose That Girl." On "Nowhere Man," both John and George played their Strats together. The bright, sparkling tone made it an ideal Beatle guitar, as evidenced by Harrison's memorable, ringing chord-melody solo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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