upgrade Stone Tone Rock Blocks

[Stone Tone]

Hey guys,

My names Robert and I'm new here and have read many questions about the new Rock Blocks from some old posts so I thought to sign up to meet all of you and answer any questions you may still have to better understand this unorthodox concept of installing a pc of granite on your Tremolo.  \m/   \m/ 

[diablo175]

The issue that was raised, as I understand it, was the method of attachment. I'm guessing that glued inserts significantly impact the transference of vibration vs. screws directly into the block itself?

[Stone Tone]

1 hour ago, diablo175 said:

The issue that was raised, as I understand it, was the method of attachment. I'm guessing that glued inserts significantly impact the transference of vibration vs. screws directly into the block itself?

No not at all.

[it's me HHB]

Wow, condescending spam! I may never " get it"

[kizanski]

17 hours ago, diablo175 said:

The issue that was raised, as I understand it, was the method of attachment. I'm guessing that glued inserts significantly impact the transference of vibration vs. screws directly into the block itself?

 

16 hours ago, Stone Tone said:

No not at all.

So, we are to believe that granite, on the virtue of it's physical makeup alone, is going to greatly improve one's tone, but metal inserts glued into it will not?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! Look over here! Shiny object!

[Stone Tone]

59 minutes ago, kizanski said:

 

So, we are to believe that granite, on the virtue of it's physical makeup alone, is going to greatly improve one's tone, but metal inserts glued into it will not?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! Look over here! Shiny object!

So, we are to believe that granite, on the virtue of it's physical makeup alone, is going to greatly improve one's tone, but metal inserts glued into it will not?

That is correct. If there were a noticable difference it wouldn't make a difference either way since the overall sonic improvement is so great that it wouldn't be worth the time to gauge what the actual difference is if any.. 

*Remember* Granite is the optimum transducer for any stringed instrument comprised of a bridge system. 

[Stone Tone]

22 hours ago, Jakeboy said:

StoneTone.....I would reiterate the suggestion to send one to either Zen or Diablo as a test unit for a comprehensive report to the HFC. 

People here buy wisely, but we trust each other and if Zen or Diablo say it's the real deal, people here will believe and follow, which will turn into orders of your product.

just a +1 of an earlier suggestion.....

I had a great conversation with Jeff from "The fret shack" from Louisiana yesterday. I sent him a 42mm to give the test run so he can report back to all of you soon.

[kizanski]

Just now, Stone Tone said:

So, we are to believe that granite, on the virtue of it's physical makeup alone, is going to greatly improve one's tone, but metal inserts glued into it will not?

That is correct. If there were a noticable difference it wouldn't make a difference either way since the overall sonic improvement is so great that it wouldn't be worth the time to gauge what the actual difference is if any.. 

Oh, I get it.
Your product is So Fucking Awesome that even glued inserts could not impact its awesomeness.

Your product assumes no weak link, loss of bridge-to-body contact, or signal loss, and we all know these guitars aren't used in a vacuum or in outer space.
If granite was the ultimate material for this part, it would be ALL granite, not granite with glued-in metal inserts.

[Stone Tone]

2 minutes ago, kizanski said:

Oh, I get it.
Your product is So Fucking Awesome that even glued inserts could not impact its awesomeness.

Your product assumes no weak link, loss of bridge-to-body contact, or signal loss, and we all know these guitars aren't used in a vacuum or in outer space.
If granite was the ultimate material for this part, it would be ALL granite, not granite with glued-in metal inserts.

Absolutely no weak links whatsoever and yes, granite is the ultimate material for this purpose.

[kizanski]

Just now, Stone Tone said:

Absolutely no weak links whatsoever and yes, granite is the ultimate material for this purpose.

Maybe your guitar has granite springs, granite tuning machines, granite spring claw, granite bridge-to-body screws, and oh yeah a granite bridge, but the rest of here on Planet Earth do not.

Sorry, but this is snake oil straight out of the '80's when everyone was changing every guitar part that would unscrew to one made of brass.

I think I have a pair of Capezios around here somewhere...

[hamerhead]

As we sit here on page 2, I believe it is marketing genius to have a troll as a salesman.

[diablo175]

24 minutes ago, hamerhead said:

As we sit here on page 2, I believe it is marketing genius to have a troll as a salesman.

It would be marketing genius if this weren't the HFC and they weren't, well, Stone Tone.

Predicted number of Stone Tone units sold as a result of this marketing/trolling blitz?  Zero.

[Stone Tone]

37 minutes ago, kizanski said:

Maybe your guitar has granite springs, granite tuning machines, granite spring claw, granite bridge-to-body screws, and oh yeah a granite bridge, but the rest of here on Planet Earth do not.

Sorry, but this is snake oil straight out of the '80's when everyone was changing every guitar part that would unscrew to one made of brass.

I think I have a pair of Capezios around here somewhere...

No not at all, Some just have the Block and some have the complete modification..

 

 

 The Granite is an atomic crystalline matrix quarried in it's natural state comprised of several minerals meaning you're re-instituting the stored energies in which the granite was created. When the stone is under pressure and simultaneously vibrating the crystalline matrix [Atoms] that gets excited within the atomic structure of the granite producing the Stone Tone®.

 

The present invention provides a system for producing vibrational unification of components of a musical instrument comprised of a plurality of strings, a bridge system, a neck, and a body. The system acoustically interconnects the major sound components of the musical instrument in a time-correct sound transfer loop. An acoustically high sound conductivity material selected from the group comprising minerals, ceramics, metals, and combinations thereof, is employed as an interconnect member to produce a balanced, compressed, and naturally equalized sound, with extreme clarity and sustain, and with minimal distortion. The low end sound that is produced by the unified components are coherent, tight, and well defined. The acoustically high sound conductivity material has a specific gravity on the order of at least 2, and preferably at least the specific gravity on the order of the specific gravity of granite. Advantageously, the specific gravity is at least four, and can be six or higher.

 

The Rock Blocks are a separate entity  of the above patented data.

[kizanski]

That's sure alotta words!

Gimme a break, guy.

[Stone Tone]

45 minutes ago, kizanski said:

Maybe your guitar has granite springs, granite tuning machines, granite spring claw, granite bridge-to-body screws, and oh yeah a granite bridge, but the rest of here on Planet Earth do not.

Sorry, but this is snake oil straight out of the '80's when everyone was changing every guitar part that would unscrew to one made of brass.

I think I have a pair of Capezios around here somewhere...

You can't knock it until you've rocked it because opinions like yours and many others who come to their conclusions based on pure assumptions are baseless and moot.

[diablo175]

Kiz, Ya gotta give  'em credit for persistence and consistency. Not much else but they do have that.

[kizanski]

10 minutes ago, Stone Tone said:

You can't knock it until you've rocked it because opinions like yours and many others who come to their conclusions based on pure assumptions are baseless and moot.

Be gone, snake oil salesman. Unless of course you have some interest in Hamer guitars outside of selling your wares.
Otherwise I guarantee you'll move none of your product here.
And believe me that proclamation is neither baseless nor moot.

[Stone Tone]

8 minutes ago, kizanski said:

Be gone, snake oil salesman. Unless of course you have some interest in Hamer guitars outside of selling your wares.
Otherwise I guarantee you'll move none of your product here.
And believe me that proclamation is neither baseless nor moot.

Kiz why don't you go.... and have a coke and a smile, I have several Hamer guitars and there is no need for you to comment since it is obvious you are not contributing any vaild discussions and or dialogue than spewing hate and baseless rants here.  As I work at my bench and see folks ask questions of interest I answer yet your input is nothing more than vile inaccuracies and sarcasm and that's not what this thread or forum is about, so if you don't like what you are reading then move on, simple.

[kizanski]

3 minutes ago, Stone Tone said:

Kiz why don't you go.... and have a coke and a smile, I have several Hamer guitars and there is no need for you to comment since it is obvious you are not contributing any vaild discussions and or dialogue than spewing hate and baseless rants here.  As I work at my bench and see folks ask questions of interest I answer yet your input is nothing more than vile inaccuracies and sarcasm and that's not what this thread or forum is about, so if you don't like what you are reading then move on, simple.

Well, you obviously know nothing about this forum. I do, however. In fact, I'm an expert.
Check that info on the left of your screen.  That's my degree and Professor Kizanski knows a couple of things.

1. You'll never sell a single piece of granite here. You'd have more luck selling us granite tile for our bathroom floors than a granite trem block for our guitars.
2. Vile inaccuracies and sarcasm is the very cornerstone of the HFC.
3. Long after YOU move on, I'll still be here, saying what many of the others are thinking. It's kinda what I do. And I'm not alone.

 

[Jeff R]

For what it's worth ....

I reached out to Robert yesterday and asked him to get me one of his blocks so I can test-drive and provide a review, for all you guys but more so for myself.

I think my ownership of and working on Floyds and EVERY conceivable FR-license bridge under the sun for over 30 years makes me a good guinea pig candidate. In addition to my locking trem tenure, I have an equally long tenure as a marketing professional with a multi-million dollar advertising, sales and promotion agency. Very simply put, snazzy pitches don't work with me because I've not only received but I've actually delivered some real doozies in my day.

For background, my mind is a pure slate for a bench test - not only do I have no preconceived notion on blocks made from brass, steel, stone, wood, styrofoam, goat shit, whatever, I have never once swapped a block on any tremolo for myself or for anyone else ever. I've never been asked, and I've never had a reason to do so on my own trems. I'm pretty firmly in the "if it ain't broke" camp as it stands, I'm ignorant in the purest sense to alternative trem blocks, I'm also curious in the purest sense, and - quite honestly - I really have no horse in this race and I stand to gain nothing but enlightenment one way or the other. I figure I owe that to myself and to my shop's clients.

Robert is sending me a complimentary block in exchange for an honest assessment and feedback. If I like the block enough to keep it on my test dummy, I will buy it for myself. If I don't like the block, I will send it back on my dime.

I will not only assess the block itself, but  I will also assess the supplied instructions/support materials for those of you that are DIY'ers.

Stay tuned. And try to play nice in the meantime.

 

[kizanski]

If JeffR says it makes a difference, I'll take it all back.
He's the one guy who's opinion on something like this is valuable to me.

[diablo175]

52 minutes ago, kizanski said:

Well, you obviously know nothing about this forum. I do, however. In fact, I'm an expert.
Check that info on the left of your screen.  That's my degree and Professor Kizanski knows a couple of things.

1. You'll never sell a single piece of granite here. You'd have more luck selling us granite tile for our bathroom floors than a granite trem block for our guitars.
2. Vile inaccuracies and sarcasm is the very cornerstone of the HFC.
3. Long after YOU move on, I'll still be here, saying what many of the others are thinking. It's kinda what I do. And I'm not alone.

 

Kiz and I don't always see eye to eye but he speaks the truth. This is not your ordinary forum with tons of infighting and a multitude of self-proclaimed experts ready to assail any and all claims. Just the ones' that don't seem quite right. We are, in many regards, a family, dysfunctional as it may be. We can disagree but in the end, we watch out for each other.

In light of JeffR's more civilized response and offer, I too, shall recant my earlier statements re: the sordid nature of this whole affair and await a trusted colleague's review.

 

[Hbom]

2 hours ago, Stone Tone said:

 

That is correct. If there were a noticable difference it wouldn't make a difference either way . 

OK. I think I understand now.

[gorch]

It's funny. Yesterday, when I saw the opening post, clean advertising in the experts thread on no reply yet, I thought it is not my building block as I'm not into FRs at all. My immediate thought was the right guys will prepare the dinner for all. So it happened. Fairly straight btw.

Now lets wait for the results from the test bench.

[cmatthes]

Robert:

We have a longstanding "No Spam" policy here, and require a minimum number of posts before allowing "For Sale" posts, which is honestly what this is.  Although I fully appreciate your interest in getting your innovative product out there as a business owner and somebody looking to promote something you're passionate about, we have a 20+ year track record here of fair and honest dealing and can most likely count on the fingers of one hand the number of bad transactions that have gone down here.  Typically, those originate from the "hit and run" spammer type, and we can spot them a mile away.  I'm not painting you with that brush at this time, but c'mon, buy us a drink and get to know us a little first - sheesh!

This community is built on trust, so you'll have to understand that we view somebody who comes in, guns blazing, checking every keyword/search term and going heavy-handed with the full on ad-speak with a healthy degree of skepticism/wariness.

There have not been "many questions" on this forum about your Stone Tone blocks prior to the last 24 hours - actually, just one short thread almost a year ago.  Pretty sure you just Googled/Binged/Yahooed "Stone Tone" and we came up somewhere around page 3 or something, not like you've been following/lurking here for the last year and waiting for the right time to bring up the old conversation.  Believe me - I get it - you are trying to convert skeptics or get your story out there.  As a marketing professional myself, I would suggest a lighter touch in the future.  There are a lot of very intelligent, highly talented players here, some may (or may not) have hearing abilities that rival dogs and dolphins and noses that smell B.S. from across a continent, so a different approach might help you win some of those hearts and minds.  

We all get hammered with spam every day via the broadcast media, social media and everywhere else.  This place provides an escape from all that.

[cmatthes]

Robert: We have a longstanding "No Spam" policy here, and require a minimum number of posts before allowing "For Sale" posts, which honestly is what this is. Although I fully appreciate your interest in getting your innovative product out there as a business owner and somebody looking to promote something you're passionate about, we have a 20+ year track record on this page of fair and honest dealing and can probably count on the fingers of one hand the sour deals that have gone down here.  Preserving that aspect of this community is one of our key priorities and one of the main reasons people stay here for years and years.

When you come on this site for the first time, guns blazing, keyword tagging and posting pre-prepared marketing collateral under the guise of contributing to the forum, there will naturally be suspicions as to your motives/methods.  There are many highly intelligent, extremely talented and gifted individuals here, some with the hearing abilities beyond dogs and dolphins, and with noses equipped to smell B.S. from across a continent.  As a marketing professional myself, my advice is to take the bombast down a notch - that puts peoples' guard up and does not foster trust.  

Seriously...buy us a drink, get to know us or something first, willya?!

You probably only happened upon this forum by doing a Google/Yahoo/Bing search for Stone Tone, and we turned up somewhere well after page 3.  Saying that you are here to answer "many questions" that you read here is honestly a stretch - your product has only been mentioned on one prior occasion, in a very short thread that is nearly a year old.  Believe me, I totally get what you are going for here - clearing up random speculation or a bad impression that is floating out there online - but the approach is a bit heavy-handed.  A better approach would have been to answer it directly and honestly, without the sales pitch.

We are all inundated by around the clock spam via broadcast media, social media - everywhere.  The HFC has always sought to provide our membership a rest from all that.