PSA: "Ingrid" For Sale on TGP

[Guest galejt]

Yup. That "Ingrid"

$24k

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=149903

[raymund]

Sorry, haven´t won the checkpot yet.

[silentman]

Nah, I'm planning on getting one of these instead:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gib...olin?sku=517396

[kizanski]

Nah, I'm planning on getting one of these instead:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gib...olin?sku=517396

I'd rather play my skin flute.

Oh wait....I just did.

[cmatthes]

That's crazy in my opinion, but what do I know, right?

Not too long ago, somebody was trying to unload "Pamela" here for $125. Wonder if they're related?

[Nuclear Wessel]

I love the post from the guy offering to work home equity loans for anyone interested in the amp.

Or the one that says "24K is disposable income for some people". Don't we all wish?

Another one says it's worth the price because others have sold for upwards of $28K. Three words: matter of perspective. From where I stand, no amp is worth $24K. No amp sounds 8x better than a $3000 amp. A step up from a $3000 amp does not equal $21K.

[seeker]

Come on people, it's just money. How about 24 of us kick in 1k, and each get the amp for 2 weeks a year?

Seriously, I've been looking at building one of these puppies for a few months now. They've got serious tonal mojo.

Yes, I used that much-overused and abused word "mojo". So there.

Download some of the clips from this site and you shall hear the light: Trainwreck Clips

Especially if you got that synesthesia thing going.

[raymund]

Seriously, I've been looking at building one of these puppies for a few months now.

I have heard that Nik´s versions should not be bad and very reasonably priced (http://www.ceriatone.com)

[Guest galejt]

Seriously, I've been looking at building one of these puppies for a few months now.

I have heard that Nik´s versions should not be bad and very reasonably priced (http://www.ceriatone.com)

Here are some clips of Ingrid

http://www.flyingvblues.com/trainwreck/ingrid1.mp3

http://www.flyingvblues.com/trainwreck/ingrid2.mp3

YOU CAN PURCHASE A CERIATONE COPY of this amp here for $700 shipped PAYPAL!

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=149892

Pics

[serial]

Who is Ingrid and why should I give a rat's ass?

[unfun 75]

There will never be an amp worth $24K EVER!!! I don't care who owned it or played it. The sad part is that someone will buy it and think it's worth it. Sorry, but that just makes no sense to me. You could do a lot of positive things with $24,000 and buying an amp made in the 90's is not one of them.

Just my opinion.

[Lockbody]

The thing is, a bunch of people, relatively speaking, think otherwise. I, of course, feel like you do, but if I was making $300,000 - $500,000/yr (or any other stupid amount) I might just think otherwise.

[unfun 75]

The thing is, a bunch of people, relatively speaking, think otherwise. I, of course, feel like you do, but if I was making $300,000 - $500,000/yr (or any other stupid amount) I might just think otherwise.

Good point. $24K may seem like $2,400 to some. Just not my way of thinking.

[seeker]

Seriously, I've been looking at building one of these puppies for a few months now.

I have heard that Nik´s versions should not be bad and very reasonably priced (http://www.ceriatone.com)

I'm actually going to use Nik's (Ceriatone) Trainwreck Express chasis to save a bunch of time. Am not going to use his boards because, while he does use good components, they're not the same brands/types as the original.

One of the reasons why these are expensive is Ken Fisher (who is Trainwreck Circuits) didn't make too many of them. For health reasons, he had to stop making production amps a while back.

Another reason is that the Trainwrecks (Express and Liverpool) are notoriously difficult to clone. Unlike most other amps, you just can't take a schematic, wire it up, and have a tonal/sonic copy.

They are designed to distort from the power tubes BACK and also to be -just- on the edge of control (or out of control;)). This means that the type/brand of electronic components, their values, and just as important, the topography (location of components) are all crucial to -building- a clone. Only in the last few months did someone track one down and take 120+ high resolution pics of the guts of one. Folks are now doing some pretty close sounding copies, but only after doing an initial build and (like Ken Fisher) tweaking to get it right.

[Moose]

Strange -- there are so many people who spend gazillions of dollars on guitars (look at the price of vintage guitars that, 15 years ago, weren't even considered "good", not to mention the hundreds of thousands that go on 50s gibsons) and the argument always comes back "that's what the market will bear." This is the same situation, and the same arguments are being floated. Why is it that people feel the need to bust the chops of someone who has a few more dollars to spend than they do?

This is one of the finest amps ever built. If you haven't played one, you don't understand its allure, but for some devotees it is the holy grail. Ceriatone's is NOT the same thing (though it may be great in its own right) and even if it was much closer to the original, the collectible factor is a huge influence on a potential buyer.

Think about who would buy this. It is their amplifier version of a true, PAF equipped gibson or a 50s vintage strat or a broadcaster or something like that. The thing they wanted years ago, they couldn't afford (or got in line too late to get) and only now can they acquire it.

So, it's collectible, desireable, very rare (and it is extremely rare that one comes up for sale), and -- unlike many museum piece collectibles -- it is servicable and useful in a practical sense. This amp could easily see years more use in studios, making great guitar tones for somebody, and somebody will certainly feel that a price tag over 20K is worth it for them.

[Guest pirateflynn]

Those amps were priced at approx. $1,500 originally. Timing is everything.

In my opinion, that amp will sell for over $20K and it will continue to raise in price......probably by a lot. It's one of the few "sure thing" musical instrument investments. The most desirable Trainwreck amp is The Rocket. I have heard stories of guys turning down $30K offers on those.

Are they really better than Komets, Fuchs, Alessandros, etc.? Maybe, but $20K better..no. It like owning a true vintage Les Paul. You do it partly ........ so you can say you do!

[HAMERMAN]

Only in the last few months did someone track one down and take 120+ high resolution pics of the guts of one.

Dave,

Do you have any links to those pic's or any schematics?

[seeker]

Hamerman,

Yes I do. Ampgarage's Trainwreck Files

None of the schematics are 100% correct. By far, the closest is the Kelly 90. Two big diffs are: the 470k ohm resistor to ground in parallel with the power section filter caps is really 2x100k ohm resistors, and the other is the bias pot enters the circuit at a different point than on the schemo. You'll see on pic DSC01122.

The one thing the files section doesn't have is the layout graphic, which is immensly helpful. It's embedded in a couple of the discussion threads on the forum.

[HAMERMAN]

Thanks Dave!