Brooks Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Hamer-USA-Blitz-R...1QQcmdZViewItem
guitarzandstuff Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Hamer-USA-Blitz-R...1QQcmdZViewItemF*cking Kahlers!!!!!
silentman Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Mitch already talked himself down from this one.
Feynman Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Indeed! I do appreciate you all thinking of me, though.Gale has a similar post where I posted all of the reasons I have to pass on it.I do wish I could take them all.
BubbaVO Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 That is a totally cool top. Is that Kahler such a tone sucker that you couldn't salvage it by blocking it?
serial Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 That is a totally cool top. Is that Kahler such a tone sucker that you couldn't salvage it by blocking it?Kahlers are NOT tone suckers and no, you can't block a flat-mount Kahler like those. Floyds have more of a negative impact on sound and playability IMHO than a well-installed Kahler. Unfortunately, most people didn't do Kahler installs right and screwed tons of guitars up. Hamer did them extremely well when they were original from the factory, like this one. I have two factory-original Kahlered Hamers that are pretty much perfect and they sound great.
bizzwriter Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I offered the guy $560 a couple of weeks ago. He countered with $750. Might go for less now if anyone is interested (someone please buy this before I lose control...).
silentman Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Yea, Kahlers are not tone robbers. They have a different feel than a floyd and are way more adjustableCheck these vids out. Pretty cool stuff:http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type...mp;oq=kahler+vs
guitarzandstuff Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Every Kahler I've had was fine as far as setup... just can't stand the look!! Too much real estate!
BubbaVO Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 That is a totally cool top. Is that Kahler such a tone sucker that you couldn't salvage it by blocking it? Kahlers are NOT tone suckers and no, you can't block a flat-mount Kahler like those. Floyds have more of a negative impact on sound and playability IMHO than a well-installed Kahler. Unfortunately, most people didn't do Kahler installs right and screwed tons of guitars up. Hamer did them extremely well when they were original from the factory, like this one. I have two factory-original Kahlered Hamers that are pretty much perfect and they sound great. I did not know that. Thanks for the info.
Thundernotes Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Kahlers are NOT tone suckers and no, you can't block a flat-mount Kahler like those.True, but I was able to block mine with a little engineering creativity. I'd have to pull it off the guitar to show you, but somehow I mounted an aluminum plate into where the springs attach, then ran a screw through that plate up into the hole where the arm screws in. Solid as a rock.Frankly, I'm probably going to unblock it as I hear the heavy spring set improves the stability quite a bit. That was my biggest gripe before - couldn't bend notes without pulling others flat.
serial Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Frankly, I'm probably going to unblock it as I hear the heavy spring set improves the stability quite a bit. That was my biggest gripe before - couldn't bend notes without pulling others flat.I have heavy springs in all of mine. They're awesome with those in there. Don't want to whammy? Just take out the arm and crank the tension a little. You get a very stable bridge with fine tuners at your fingertips (not that you'd need them).
velorush Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I've never owned a Kahler'd guitar, but the only time I set up a guitar for one of those Lynch-school shredder types, buzz-free and perfectly intonated and then was asked to raise the action was on a Kahler'd guitar. I was very impressed with the adjustability and stability of the Kahler. I was playing a Floyd guitar at the time ~'89 and it really showed me the compromises of the Floyd system.
zorrow Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Well, I'm sorry, but for me Kahlers are tone suckers. They are so bulky that they do affect your sound, you want it or not. Also, I still have to play a Kahler-ed guitar with a satisfying sound to my ears -- but of course, I'm only talking about my own tastes. But well, that's how I've developed the following belief: If a Kahler-ed guitar does sound great, it would sound even greater if it hadn't any Kahler on it!
veatch Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 I simply don't like how the Kahler feels. I've had guitars with both Kahlers and Floyds, and i prefer the Floyd. As far as tone... Feh... It's all in yer fingers... <Edited fo grammr ann spelink>
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