Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 ebaythoughts?Well, the title is wrong. It's a flametop, not a quilt.Then read the description: it is the description from an import SATQ XT model. There ain't no abalone inlays running around the guitar, nor are there any mother-of-pearl crown inlays.He doesn't show the back of the headstock, so no way to verify there is a stamped serial number.It looks an awful lot like a Korean-made SATF to me. I don't remember Hamer putting "sunburst" under the Hamer logo like that, but that could just be my ignorance.I'd stay away from this one, unless someone with more experience tells you it is kosher.
BTMN Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 That is a usa. Posts the guy with one of those in transit. Tough break but a guy like BCRGreg or Tampa guitarman Ben Chafin could fix that in no time. Happy 5000th post to me!
louweed Posted February 2, 2011 Author Posted February 2, 2011 ebaythoughts?Well, the title is wrong. It's a flametop, not a quilt.Then read the description: it is the description from an import SATQ XT model. There ain't no abalone inlays running around the guitar, nor are there any mother-of-pearl crown inlays.He doesn't show the back of the headstock, so no way to verify there is a stamped serial number.It looks an awful lot like a Korean-made SATF to me. I don't remember Hamer putting "sunburst" under the Hamer logo like that, but that could just be my ignorance.I'd stay away from this one, unless someone with more experience tells you it is kosher.this is my guitar. someone please let me know if I am incorrect on make/model. will post more pics soon. thanks for all your help!
BCR Greg Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 It looks an awful lot like a Korean-made SATF to me. I don't remember Hamer putting "sunburst" under the Hamer logo like that, but that could just be my ignorance.I'd stay away from this one, unless someone with more experience tells you it is kosher. It's Kosher.I can fix it.
louweed Posted February 2, 2011 Author Posted February 2, 2011 Well, the title is wrong. It's a flametop, not a quilt.Then read the description: it is the description from an import SATQ XT model. There ain't no abalone inlays running around the guitar, nor are there any mother-of-pearl crown inlays.SOMEONE PLEASE ADDRESS ABOVE. THANK YOU. NEW PICS UP!
serial Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Well, the title is wrong. It's a flametop, not a quilt.Then read the description: it is the description from an import SATQ XT model. There ain't no abalone inlays running around the guitar, nor are there any mother-of-pearl crown inlays.SOMEONE PLEASE ADDRESS ABOVE. THANK YOU. NEW PICS UP!you have the description for the import-yours is a 1991 Sunburst. Not sure what pickups you have in there-the bridge isn't original and I can't tell on the neck. Not a big deal. Looks cool to me-some BCR magic and that'd be an awesome guitar again.
louweed Posted February 2, 2011 Author Posted February 2, 2011 Well, the title is wrong. It's a flametop, not a quilt.Then read the description: it is the description from an import SATQ XT model. There ain't no abalone inlays running around the guitar, nor are there any mother-of-pearl crown inlays.SOMEONE PLEASE ADDRESS ABOVE. THANK YOU. NEW PICS UP!you have the description for the import-yours is a 1991 Sunburst. Not sure what pickups you have in there-the bridge isn't original and I can't tell on the neck. Not a big deal. Looks cool to me-some BCR magic and that'd be an awesome guitar again.so this description is wrong?Detailed item infoProduct Information The Sunburst Archtop Quilt goes over the top with a gorgeous laminated quilt top, abalone inlays surrounding the entire guitar and Mother-of-Pearl crown inlays. Supported by two Hamer humbucker pickups and a Tune-o-matic-style bridge, you will have trouble deciding if you prefer this models' great looks or incredible sound.Product Identifiers Brand Hamer Model Sunburst Archtop Quilt Key Features Guitar Type Electric Body Type Solid Body Material Mahogany Number of Strings 6 String Pickups Bridge Pickup Hamer Humbucker Neck Pickup Hamer Humbucker Miscellaneous Neck Material Mahogany Guitar Scale 24.75 inch
serial Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Wrong description-basically two different guitar companies (USA and import Hamers).
louweed Posted February 2, 2011 Author Posted February 2, 2011 Wrong description-basically two different guitar companies (USA and import Hamers).ok, then what is exact make/model? (i should have never used ebays catalog info) :<
veatch Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Fixed below. Hope this helps.Overall, this is a terrific guitar in need of a repair. As said, Greg can do it.Detailed item infoProduct Information The Sunburst Archtop has a Mahogany body with a flame Maple top, Ivoroid binding surrounding the body of the guitar, and dot inlays. Product Identifiers Brand Hamer USAModel Sunburst ArchtopKey Features Guitar Type Electric Body Type Solid Body Material Mahogany Number of Strings 6 String Pickups Bridge Pickup Humbucker Neck Pickup Humbucker Miscellaneous Neck Material Mahogany Guitar Scale 24.75 inch
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Wrong description-basically two different guitar companies (USA and import Hamers).ok, then what is exact make/model? (i should have never used ebays catalog info) :<I didn't realize it was YOUR listing.I thought you were asking if you should buy it or not.My apologies.But yeah, using eBay's catalog info was incorrect.Isn't yours a Studio? I thought by 1991 they didn't use the Sunburst as a model name anymore. And the Sunburst Archtop IS the XT name.Adding the picture of the back of the headstock is exactly what you needed to do. It proves that it is a USA model and that the SATQ description was an error of some sort. The people who are trying to trick people avoid showing the back of the headstock because that's where the "Made in China" stickers and import serial stickers/stamps are.Finally, I was also going to point out to you (if you were asking as a potential buyer) that the seller as 300+ transactions with 100% positive feedback, so it might be worth trusting him...so you could emphasize that in your post, something like, "I made a mistake using eBay's catalog info and it inserted the wrong information. This IS a USA-made model, with the serial number stamped into the back of the headstock (see pictures). You can see from my seller feedback that I am trustworthy. Bid with confidence, you won't be disappointed."
cmatthes Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I've owned two '91 Sunbursts. They most definitely were (are) a legit model. GREAT guitars, too.They didn't change over to the Studio line until later on. Sunbursts were dropped from the lineup in the mid-80s, but were "reissued" (with some slight differences" in '89 - '91/'92.
psc3251 Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Yeh, definately a 91 Hamer USA Sunburst Archtop- I have a 91, a 92 and my 93 is a Studio, so name change happened sometime in 93......hate the fact that the imports are using 'Sunburst Archtop'- causes all sorts of confusion- especially when I'm searching for another one on google. Cheers Dave
tbonesullivan Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 They should just change the shipping address to Lemoyne, PA and be done with it.I have to admit... it's tempting, but I don't want to think about what the repair bill will be to make it perfect.
crunchee Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Mentioned before: http://www.hamerfanclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46988 Yeh, definately a 91 Hamer USA Sunburst Archtop- I have a 91, a 92 and my 93 is a Studio, so name change happened sometime in 93......hate the fact that the imports are using 'Sunburst Archtop'- causes all sorts of confusion- especially when I'm searching for another one on google. Cheers Dave I'm thinking that Hamer did a LOT of name-changing and shifting around in the '90's...and it definitely was NOT for the best, it was a chore trying to keep up with model names back then, not just now. The Sunburst Archtop as seen on eBay here, first came out around '90 or '91, was around in '92, maybe in '93 (I haven't seen a '93 with the 'Sunburst' name on the headstock yet), I think most if not all of these were of the mini tuner/thin neck types. Some were Customs (bound neck, crowns), some weren't...like this one (bound body, unbound neck, dots...is this a Sunburst 'Standard'? See Archtop GT Standard below). I'm looking through my mid-90's Hamer catalog (the 'Brand New Classics for a Modern World' one, I'm thinking the catalog is a '96 as it pretty much matches the print ads of the time), and it pictures these: Studio (solidbody, dots, no binding, Wilkinson wrap-tail bridge) Artist Archtop (semi-hollow, f-hole, bound & crowned, TOM bridge) Artist Studio (semi-hollow, f-hole, dots, Wilkinson wrap-tail bridge) Archtop Custom (solidbody, bound & crowned, TOM bridge) Archtop GT Custom (solidbody, gold top--some were black, bound & crowned, TOM bridge) Archtop GT Standard (solidbody, gold top--some were black, unbound neck/bound body, dots, TOM bridge) edited to add: no picture here, but prominently described in the model text. ...notice that this last one is NOT listed as a Studio (don't get TOO hung up on the 'Standard' moniker here, it refers to the unbound dot neck, apparently)! It seems here in the catalog that Studio = Wilkinson wrap-tail bridge, but that bridge only lasted for about two years, from about 1994-6, I'm figuring. I've seen some Hamer USA models that had a arched maple top, with a bound body but unbound neck with dots and a TOM, from '93 AND after '96. I'm thinking that the 'Archtop' designation went away and 'Studio' became the norm for bound, arched maple top solid bodies at about the same time Hamer moved from Arlington Heights to CT. Clear as mud, right? I don't even bother keeping track of imports, their names, or models. If it isn't a USA made model, I have no interest. I treat the late '70's/early '80's Sunbursts and Specials as a completely separate model, I look at the differences rather than the similarities there, as compared to later '90's versions, they're easy to recognize if you've seen one before. It's hard to miss the 'Sustain Block' bridge and string-thru body design, as well as the smaller headstock. Of course, there is always exceptions to the rule. Especially with USA Hamers! Just my two cents.
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 I treat the late '70's/early '80's Sunbursts and Specials as a completely separate model, I look at the differences rather than the similarities there, as compared to later '90's versions, they're easy to recognize if you've seen one before. It's hard to miss the 'Sustain Block' bridge and string-thru body design, as well as the smaller headstock. That's what I was thinking when I made my error. Even if understandable, I still feel bad. Still, I spoke up because no one else, knowing that the more experienced members would correct me if I was wrong. ...and they did!
djcaustin Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Well, I'm the "lucky" winner of this auction! I've owned probably 8 or 9 Hamer Studios, FM, Sunbursts, etc. But sold them when I quit playing. Big mistake. Now I'm playing again, but don't have the guts to shell out the 1k+ all at once. the guitar should arrive tomorrow, and I've already had a phone conversation with Greg @ BCR regarding repair!This will be a well-traveled guitar, but worth it when it's done!Repair pics upon completion!DanAustin, TX.
BCR Greg Posted August 5, 2011 Posted August 5, 2011 It kills. When I get a chance, I'll show how I did it.
Jason01 Posted August 5, 2011 Posted August 5, 2011 There's something magical they did with those bursts around '91. They all just seem to look absolutely perfect.
David B Posted August 5, 2011 Posted August 5, 2011 There's something magical they did with those bursts around '91. They all just seem to look absolutely perfect.Very true.
conorb Posted August 6, 2011 Posted August 6, 2011 It kills. When I get a chance, I'll show how I did it. Wow, that is something. Congrats to the final owner. conorb
djcaustin Posted August 6, 2011 Posted August 6, 2011 It kills. When I get a chance, I'll show how I did it. Wow, that is something. Congrats to the final owner. conorb Can't wait to get my hands on it! It's beautiful!
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