northarrow Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Are the Early Special and Early Sunbursts ( up to 1980) exactly the same shape as a 59 Gibson Jr ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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velorush Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 The only thing I know for certain is they fit in the same case. Not sure if that qualifies as "exactly," but that's pretty close in my book. There seems to be some differences in the horns, but there also seems to be variations in the horns within each brand. '59 Gibson (LP Junior): Hamer: '59 Gibson (LP Special): Hamer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hbom Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I try not to believe everything I read, except when I read it in The Book. And The Book. says on page.49 paragraph 1 "The design was simple: Jol drew out a tracing of one of their 1950s Les Paul Juniors and added humbucking pickups." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamerhead Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Gibson Junior horns seem to curve more right off the neck joint, whereas Hamer's have a slight flat between the neck and the initial curve of the horn. Hamer horns also appear to be just slightly narrower, but being built by hand there's probably a fair amount of variance. If anyone wants to send their '58 or '59 Junior, I'd gladly put it on our CMM at work and see for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biz Prof Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I see a more pronounced curve in the Hamer cutaways versus the Gibson. In effect, this makes the Gibson geometry more of an unbroken arc that flattens at the neck joint whereas the Hamer cutaways appear to curve slightly up toward the neck at the joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbonesullivan Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 It's definitely based on that shape, but it's not exact. Also the neck joint is WAAAAYYYY better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ua D Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, tbonesullivan said: It's definitely based on that shape, but it's not exact. Also the neck joint is WAAAAYYYY better. And the fact that the Hamer necks are set further into the body balancing the guitar better. Plus the placement of the bridge and pickups works better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbonesullivan Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Ua D said: And the fact that the Hamer necks are set further into the body balancing the guitar better. Plus the placement of the bridge and pickups works better Yeah. Gibson I think wanted to maintain the layout of the Single Cut Les paul, but that deep of a treble cutaway doesn't work unless it is a single cut, resulting in one of the most often broken neck joints out there, especially with the neck pickup. They then didn't learn their lesson when they made the first SGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topekatj Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 8:01 PM, tbonesullivan said: ...resulting in one of the most often broken neck joints out there... Yah, the only Gibson with a more delicate neck joint may be the Epiphone Coronet (Viva la Steve Marriott). I also prefer that Hamer located the strap button at the tip of the upper horn Vs. at the body/neck joint. Always loved the looks of an SG but, having broad shoulders, the 'upper' strap button location always bugged me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanski Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 11:01 PM, tbonesullivan said: ...resulting in one of the most often broken neck joints out there... In the case of the model below, all I can say is, "Thank you." 26 minutes ago, topekatj said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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