SirDouglas Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 1st and foremost what i found was that 99.9% of people in executive positions in the music industry are F++KING RETARDED.... and have nearly NO clue as to what the general public wants/needs. Also that they are extremely self-centered and have an evil agenda to fill thier pockets with cash by blowing smoke up your ass all the while having no intention of fulfilling what they promise. This being said lets move on to some high and low points of what "I" saw while there. I found out i like cheap looking hooker type / self degredating women.... and BOOBS..... these are the Dean girls for this year.... let me make 1 thing perfectly clear.... YOU DO NOT NEED TITS TO SELL INSTRUMENTS.... though they feel this is needed to up thier sales, most stores that fall for this trick usually fail miserably and go bankrupt due to the fact they over spent / didnt look at the market in thier area before buying.... now im not saying Dean makes a shit instrument... they make a GOOD US model and OK asian models(which country is making them now?) This was true also for Schecter who had a large (fake) breasted woman in thier "booth" anda few others that dont need mentioning... ok ill cut this a bit short and not make this a novel... let me move on to the Hamer "booth"... I say "booth" since it was a huge area full of other Kaman crap.. let me start with the "Made in China" JUNK.... OMFG... Who looked this stuff over before packing it to come here... flaw after flaw.... Hameritus EVERYWHERE... bad cuts of wood on EVERY single "Made in China" model there... plus an ACOUSTIC Hamer.... ok i can see that...it will grow on me... the USA models.... yes the "S" in the USA on the standard there was a little lacking in color but it IS there... poor quality control... and speaking of quality control lets look at this "Grand Ole' Opry" model shall we.. its the one on the far left.... lets talk about quality control.... please look at the 12th fret marker... its NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SQUARED.... OMFG WTF ... you do NOT bring an instrument with quality issues to a show... unless your planning on just flat out loosing money to your compitition and being a laughing stock... thats 2 instruments on this 1 rack alone out of 4 with quality control issues... Lets also point out they did NOT bring 1 SINGLE BASS this year... NOT 1.. Heres another personal problem i have with a "jazz" guitar... this is entirely TO SMALL ... thsi also had some quality issues with it. I did the worst thing anyone can do from seeing only pictures of this guitar before eyeing one... i "ASSUMED" it was in the larger vein like the 335s.... my bad... beautiful guitar.. personally i think it needs to be larger... but thats just me... now for the 4 positive things i brought home from this adventure... 1 i got to push Greg around a bit... 2 i also was pleased to meet each and every HFC member that was there.. you were all wonderfull to talk to even for the brief amount of time we spent together.. 3 i got to see Gene Baker... with whom i hadnt seen in 21 years.... Gene and i were in "rival" bands in Santa Maria Ca. before he went to GIT .. i PLAYED his first guitar he built WAY back when when he first built it... if you read this Gene it was good to see you again man... and last but not least... I got to talk to Frank / Frank / and Jol.... while i only talked to Jol and Frank U for a few minutes it was pleasant and a pleasure. The time i spent talking to Frank(pictured) was both wonderful and enlightening... i learned alot from him and have a great deal of respect for the man. Please dont get me wrong while i do point out ALOT of short comings from Hamer this year i still will only ever play these guitars and basses and point them out to hopefully show that paying attention to detail means alot to some people. One last thing... NAMM also reminded em of why i dislike the human race... please if you get nothing from this piece take this... There are more people on this planet than you... and the world doesnt revolve only around you and your pathetic attempt at an agenda .. money is only a tool and not the reason to live by.... that being said the next mother f+++er that "attempts" to run me over or push me out of the way gets decked... Randy
Guest galejt Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 ...99.9% of people in executive positions in the (fill in the blank) industry are F++KING RETARDED.... and have nearly NO clue as to what the general public wants/needs. Also that they are extremely self-centered and have an evil agenda to fill thier pockets with cash by blowing smoke up your ass all the while having no intention of fulfilling what they promise... ...and the Entertainment industry...and the Automotive industry...and the Housing industry...and the Gummit...Welcome to America!Outer Circle in 3...2...1...
Turdus Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Dude -- who cares about quality control.... post a few more pics of the Dean girls.......
silentman Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 OMG!!!! THOSE DEAN GIRRRRLS R HAWT! MAKES ME WANT ONE!
MCChris Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 ...99.9% of people in executive positions in the (fill in the blank) industry are F++KING RETARDED.... and have nearly NO clue as to what the general public wants/needs. Also that they are extremely self-centered and have an evil agenda to fill thier pockets with cash by blowing smoke up your ass all the while having no intention of fulfilling what they promise... ...and the Entertainment industry...and the Automotive industry...and the Housing industry...and the Gummit...Welcome to America!Outer Circle in 3...2...1... I was gonna say .... you just described trade show folk in general. Why should the people at NAMM be any different? LOL
tonedef Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Nice review, dude. How about a "part 2"?Tonedef
killertone Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 How bad were the yellow tag visitors this year? They used to piss me off so bad...
RobB Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Wow, this the first time I've heard a dude complaining about booth bettys! Sorry you found them so offensive As far as, "most stores that fall for this trick usually fail miserably and go bankrupt due to the fact they over spent / didnt look at the market in thier area before buying", I'd like to see some statistics to back up that assertion. Where is the "trickery?" Bettys don't sell guitars to store buyers, the reps do. They're just there to bring people into the booth and generate interest in the brand. "Heres another personal problem i have with a "jazz" guitar... this is entirely TO SMALL" Did you pull it down and play it? Maybe it sounds bigger than it looks..? "Please dont get me wrong while i do point out ALOT of short comings from Hamer this year i still will only ever play these guitars and basses and point them out to hopefully show that paying attention to detail means alot to some people." How can anyone EVER get the wrong idea from such a positive, helpful review of Kaman/Hamer's involvement @NAMM? Pointing out evey "flaw" on USAs and labelling the import line "JUNK" is always a positive step "One last thing... NAMM also reminded em of why i dislike the human race... please if you get nothing from this piece take this... There are more people on this planet than you... and the world doesnt revolve only around you and your pathetic attempt at an agenda .. money is only a tool and not the reason to live by.... that being said the next mother f+++er that "attempts" to run me over or push me out of the way gets decked..." Right. Money IS the agenda @tradeshows. What were you expecting? Why blame "the human race" for wanting to be successful and generate income for their company/store? Why so angry? I'm not trying to be a smartass, Randy, but you always seem so pissed-off in your posts. Seems to me that you've got a pretty cool thing going on there in Tejas...
Caddie Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Hey, lighten up fer godzsake. Why don't YOU try standing around looking horribly underfed, standing for 8-10 hours in those 6" pumps on that cheap, thin tradeshow booth carpeting, wearing almost nothing in those cold drafty exhibition halls.Dayum......just thinkin' about it makes ya wanna take a hot bath, get a massage and a latte. Well maybe.I can tell ya from experience, it ain't for wimps.noonan ps-honestly a good hardworking "booth babe" who pulls customers into your booth, engages them in conversation that's pertinent to your company and products, and gets the prospect's ID data into your system gives a lot more back to your company than the pricey execs standing around jingling change and downing coffee. At least that's what I observed at 22 years of manufacturing automation, computers & software tradeshows.
Steve Haynie Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 For what Gibson demands for a dealer buy-in they ought to include a little "private time" with girls like that.
SirDouglas Posted January 23, 2006 Author Posted January 23, 2006 I'm not trying to be a smartass, Randy, but you always seem so pissed-off in your posts. theres a difference between anger and cynisism... i dont think i spelled that right.. im not offended by the females... very pleasant to look at.. so have your opinions.... this happens to be mine whether you agree or not... its ok... i take no offense and i agree with Mr Haynie... these activities have been proported but ive not been able to substantiate(sp) in either direction. I will also state that I actually had a good time most of the time there... i did make some new friends and talk to those id normally not get a chance to... i can also relay some other positives and negatives on the show as well.... it may appear that my post is a total slam on Hamer .... im still satisified with all my product and most of the other product.... this time however i find fault...and as before this is my opinion.... but until i actually OWN the company i have no say in any matter relating to this at all.... so the whole thing becomes moot ... therefore... just have fun buy Hamer and live your life without worries... Randy
straightblues Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Sir Douglas, sorry I didn't meet up with you at NAMM. I met a lot of other HFC guys and it was fun seeing them. Although a lot of go to the show and have a great time doing so, you have to remember what the show is for. It is for manufactures to meet up with dealers. Not to sell guitars or deal with end users. It is all about them selling stuff to stores. We are just there wasting the manufactures time and money. They pay big bucks for a small booth. The last trade show I went to in Vegas to show my products last week cost me $30,000. I would suspect that most of the smaller folks are paying similar and larger booths like Kaman were likely over $100,000. So yes they are doing everything they can to promote there products and get some return on their investment. Many of them rely on this show to make or break their companies. The stakes are high so I don't begrudge them anything. I feel greatful that ordinary guys like us get in and get a chance to rub elbows with stars like Bono, Rick Derringer, Tommy Shaw, George Benson and others who I met and talked with on Friday.
jisham Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Since you met Jol and Frank, did you point out all the problems in their booth you saw?
killertone Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Although a lot of go to the show and have a great time doing so, you have to remember what the show is for. It is for manufactures to meet up with dealers. Not to sell guitars or deal with end users. It is all about them selling stuff to stores. This is the 1st NAMM show I haven't been to in 5 years. While at NAMM I regularly did 6 months worth of buying for my store, especially from large vendors like Marshall, Fender, or Ibanez/Tama. I was there to do business and that was that. Sure the first time or two that I went to the show it was cool seeing all the stars but as I went to more and more NAMM shows all I wanted to do was get there, do my biz, and get the f*ck out. What led me to feel this way? The amount of people there that DON'T need to be. They are autograph seekers and end users in the way of my business. It drove me nuts trying to get from appointment to appointment all the while dodging these people. In that way I totally agree with some of Randy's statements. I understand that manufacturers are trying to stir up excitement abot their company/product. I even think the Dean booth is genious. I just think NAMM ought to limit the number of badges that they give out. NAMM used to be an insider thing but now anyone can go. As I left the show last year, I had people offering to buy my badge from me every night. I hope people don't sell their badges. I wouldn't.
Bruiser Brody Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Lighten up mutherfukkers..it's a goddamn tradeshow.
thecajunboy Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Lighten up mutherfukkers..it's a goddamn tradeshow. Bruiser, you need to make it to Cajun Jam and hang with the Freaks.
stoobs77 Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 let's all calm down....now where are those additional pictures of the babes? jk, but seriously, thanks for the description of the show, it was appreciated
HamerHokie Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Since you met Jol and Frank, did you point out all the problems in their booth you saw? +1
hikarateboy Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 What led me to feel this way? The amount of people there that DON'T need to be. They are autograph seekers and end users in the way of my business. I was one of these people at NAMM over the last 4 years but I TOTALLY agree with this statement. If I were there for the reason the show exists (buying investigating inventory for my business) I would be completely unplussed about having to fight wiht the 21 year old kid with no monetary reason to be there getting in my way cause all he wanted was a pass to the Dean Markley party where Yngwie would be playing and a bunch of strippers would be working. People who have the means to place an order for thousands of dollars worth of merchandise from a manufacture often have to stand and wait while some 14 year old is working out good charlotte riffs on the latest and greatest thru a korg pandora. That said, There are reasons that regular people SHOULD get in although maybe not in the amounts that currently do. - Regular people post pictures of the new gear on NAMM more quickly and in greater numbers than anyone - Regular people embrace the items that are crazy and might not sell enough to justify a store's order but when ordered by joe dirt directly from the Manufacture it keeps them going another year.- The industry see what attracts regular people better than the store guys who will be happy to tell you what everyone wants but still has 9 out of 10 xyz's in stock because the terms were so good it will be a cake walk to make money with these even though a $129.95 piece of shit is still a piece of shit.- Its the only place to see people play that dont tour. Personally, I doubt I would have ever seen Micheal Schenker in concert because of all of his problems if it werent for NAMM. There are a ton of others too.Whats up with NAMM? sounds like more and more people are down on it. Maybe there should be a manufactures show that is only for non industry or NAMM is limited to NON visitor badges on wed-friday. I realize that many of the artists wear visitor badges but maybe its time for a special vip badge for those guys. What do I know.
Guest JackButler Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Well....with the exception of dealing with my bassist...I HAD A GREAT TIME AT NAMM!!!!!!! It is what it is...the music industry...and whether its the recording facet..the performing/gigging facet..or the retail end of it..(and I, like plenty of you here, have experienced all of the above)..its the MUSIC BIZZ and BULLSHIT makes the world go 'round! EVERYONE has some kind of agenda and most of it centers or revolves around self promotion and feeding one's ego or furthering one's professional or financial progress in some way.From the visitor/sight seeing peeps to the suits to the "mom's and pop's" to the big chain guys...it all works.. even if you're there and you're trying to put together an order for your store..that annoying purple haired neo-retro punker wanna be that s trying out gear..watch a bunch of them and see what they're hopping on and playing.. those are the kids that come into the store and come back with mom and dad...AND mom or dad's wallet and BUY SOMETHING.Everyone serves a purpose.I had a wonderful time and had my share of both business AND fun. From the BCR Family to the Kaman guys to Matt Smith to the folks at NGSW to Brian, Mobbie, Al, Junkee, Ed..everyone...I had a blast! Even manage to come back with easily triple the work and gigs that I had before going to Namm.Like Brody said..it was a tradeshow.
anotherfreak2 Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 I liked it! I'll be the first to admit that sometimes what I think is the best dollar/value isn't what the general public wants, and having those "visitors" running around is a good way to see what they pick up. That being said, I did stand in a couple of lines to meet people too I was lucky enough to put a couple of faces to names here, Sirdouglas, JackButler, Stike, and the ever present BCR Greg! maybe I'll get out more this year and meet some more of you! I will say I was nowhere prepared for the size of the show which led to some meaningless wandering with my jaw dragging the floor but even that led me to see stuff I would have missed had I just gone where I was supposed to. So It was amaizing for me, and seeing the Dramagods was a nice plus as well There were quite a few people walking through conversations like they were the only person there, but hey "welcome to Earth" there are people like that at the mall. So good and bad, it was a really great show!!!!!! have a great day! bill
sirDaniel Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 you guys can be down on it all you want. I've never been to one and would LOVE to go.
MCChris Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 you guys can be down on it all you want. I've never been to one and would LOVE to go. You, me, Christopher Reeve/Bernie ... road trip!
HamerHokie Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 you guys can be down on it all you want. I've never been to one and would LOVE to go. I get you and SirDouglas confused. Are you two related?
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