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If that left the factory like that then it must have been on a friday afternoon after a big bag of coke and a case of vodka !

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There has been another thread on this guitar.

IIRC, this would not have been made by the same people or constructed the same way as a 4 dig std.

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It's experimental and really early for a Floyd, hence the lack of fine tuners.

I disagree - it's no eyesore and really quite interesting for the Hamer enthusiast.

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So, what's wrong with it?

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So, what's wrong with it?

Other than it having features that apparently don't appeal to everyone's taste, it doesn't appear anything is wrong with it.

There has been another thread on this guitar. IIRC, this would not have been made by the same people or constructed the same way as a 4 dig std.

Why would Hamer use different employees and build methods for CO X than used for CO Y?

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If it were their guitar, the price may have come down by now, as they've had it for sale for some time. I bought my A5 Phantom new from them, when they were on Milwaukee Avenue, in early '87, and they were happy to deal on a guitar that had been on their wall for a few years.

Remember, this guitar is on consignment, so what do they care if it takes forever to sell, they get their cut of a higher price.

It wouldn't have been made by the same people who built early 4 digits, but I'd think it was built by the same people who were building guitars from the mid 200's on, when they were in Arlington Heights.

IIRC the story is that the guy who is selling this, had it built to replace a guitar that had some problem.

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There has been another thread on this guitar. IIRC, this would not have been made by the same people or constructed the same way as a 4 dig std.

Why would Hamer use different employees and build methods for CO X than used for CO Y?

4 digit standards were made in a separate location by John Montgomery in Wilmette. I own a 4 digit standard and a production vector. This ebay guitar looks exactly like a production vector except for the early nonfinetuner floyd rose. My standard has a different neck joint, different pickup placement. Calling this vector a 4 digit is just wrong. It may be stamped with four numbers but that don't mean it IS a 4 digit. That guitar is worth the same as a production vector plus a $100 if that bridge and locking nut were handmade by Mr. Rose.

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There has been another thread on this guitar. IIRC, this would not have been made by the same people or constructed the same way as a 4 dig std.

Why would Hamer use different employees and build methods for CO X than used for CO Y?

4 digit standards were made in a separate location by John Montgomery in Wilmette. I own a 4 digit standard and a production vector. This ebay guitar looks exactly like a production vector except for the early nonfinetuner floyd rose. My standard has a different neck joint, different pickup placement. Calling this vector a 4 digit is just wrong. It may be stamped with four numbers but that don't mean it IS a 4 digit. That guitar is worth the same as a production vector plus a $100 if that bridge and locking nut were handmade by Mr. Rose.

Are you sure this was true after 1980? I have an 81 Standard and you can tell it is from the same production as the contemporary Sunbursts and Specials. Before Arlington Heights it is true that much woodworking took place 'off-site'. But after 1980 it's just hype - other than a nice carved neck-joint Standards were made exactly the same way as their contemporaries.

And you are wrong in one way: it isn't exactly like a production Vector, the bridge pickup has been moved back to accommodate the Floyd. IT is a FOUR-DIGIT, you can't alter history. So are several early CruiseBasses and few other Vectors. Hamer clearly thought the Floyd was special enough in 1982/3 to be worthy of a limited production number - it's a fact you will have to live with.

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So, what's wrong with it?

Other than it having features that apparently don't appeal to everyone's taste, it doesn't appear anything is wrong with it.

The price is wrong too, if you consider that the market is not into it at all -thought it might be worth that, given it's rare... but who wants it anyway?

It's been on Ebay for a while now. You would think they would have dropped the price some.

Indeed, this^.

PS: This guitar is from that guy in Macabre, right?

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Are you sure this was true after 1980? I have an 81 Standard and you can tell it is from the same production as the contemporary Sunbursts and Specials. Before Arlington Heights it is true that much woodworking took place 'off-site'. But after 1980 it's just hype - other than a nice carved neck-joint Standards were made exactly the same way as their contemporaries. And you are wrong in one way: it isn't exactly like a production Vector, the bridge pickup has been moved back to accommodate the Floyd. IT is a FOUR-DIGIT, you can't alter history. So are several early CruiseBasses and few other Vectors. Hamer clearly thought the Floyd was special enough in 1982/3 to be worthy of a limited production number - it's a fact you will have to live with.

I figured you or a Matthes bro would correct me. I thought Montgomery made all 4 digit standards in Wilmette but there was a point where the painting was done in the factory. I am probably wrong but I thought he was the sole builder for 4 digit standards with Paul Hamer and others helping with painting.

Zorrow has said in another thread he sees no real difference between this vector and a production vector. Again, I hope I am not misquoting.

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This is older information so as Bubs says we should all buy the book to know for sure, but it was stated here that the four digit stuff was all built in Montgomery's basement in Winnetka.

This being four digit stuff, it follows that the same people would have built it, no?

The fact that production Vectors and four digit Vectors look the same doesn't really mean much. Had they made production Standards in these days that looked the same, would it raise the price of all of them or just lower the price of the four digit?

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I remember this too. But getting hung up on a bit of basement woodworking doesn't invalidate that this Vector is still a four-digit.

You can see that Standards are made from the same materials as the others, same binding, same fingerboards, even the same billets of maple and definitely the same finishing. I would say that any off-site work after 1980 by JM says more about his character than about the guitars.

Here's an obscure question for Serial - where were the wood-stamps for the four numbers kept, Arlington Heights or the Basement?

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