T-51Fred Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 I have seen a couple of nice looking strat style washburns that one seller wrote was make by hamer. Is that true?
django49 Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 Seems unlikely. Maybe something made overseas in the same factory as imported Hamers(?) Perhaps there was some overlap of employees when the two outfits were based around Chicago(?)
cmatthes Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 NO!!Some idiot is spreading that bullshit, and it just isn't true in any way.
T-51Fred Posted May 23, 2015 Author Posted May 23, 2015 Here's a link to my most recent encounter currently on EBayhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-WASHBURN-USA-SILVERADO-STRAT-RARE-EXCELLENT-LS-93-CHICAGO-CUSTOM-SHOP-/111424772278?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f16f18b6
cmatthes Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 No matter how many times that guy says it on the Internet, it still isn't true.
BTMN Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 Is it true that some of the Hamer guys went to build guitars for Washy that did not go to CT. when Kaman moved them?
Montelovesco Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 So do I have to sell off my Washys or not...? :-)))
motorpriest Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 No. But if your Hamers were made by Washburn, that could be tricky
JohnnyB Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 No matter how many times that guy says it on the Internet, it still isn't true.It's not just that guy. Note the listing on Reverb for a black one. The ad copy is identical, even down to some less-than-stellar grammar, yet they are two different vendors over 1,000 miles apart.The shop behind the eBay listing is Dayton Vintage Guitars in Franklin, OH near Dayton. The shop behind the Reverb listing is Down Home Music in Fairfield, Maine, which--if his website's up to date--doesn't have their black Washburn anymore.Here's another Chicago CS Washburn Silverado, priced more at market value and without the Hamer hype.There are various mentions of some Arlington Hamer guys also working at Washburn Custom, such as mentioned here, but from there, somebody's imagination really took off. We all know mirrorimij wrote and intended no such thing. Also, there may be some discussion in a thread at the LP forum, given the reference to Hamer on a Washburn thread here. Somebody with membership there might be able to track it down.On this thread at Talkbass, Mike Sherman (msherman) goes into some detail about his working at Hamer, then Washburn, then Hamer, then on to Connecticut for Ovation, and finally opening his own shop (but his website has seemed to vanish since then).
T-51Fred Posted May 24, 2015 Author Posted May 24, 2015 The washy also has the huge bathtub route. Nothing custom about that to me. Good for serving nuts.
Caddie Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 No matter how many times that guy says it on the Internet, it still isn't true.Wait, wait, wait, not so fast. Ya know it can't go on the internet if its not true. It's against the laws of the World Wide Web Code of Conduct. Punishment for breaching the code....no more access to porn. And yes, that includes guitar porn.Cheers!caddie
T-51Fred Posted May 24, 2015 Author Posted May 24, 2015 Poor bastard doesn't know how real it's gotten. It's back to magazines and DVD's!
it's me HHB Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 Ive owned a T51 and a USA Larado. Totally not the same guitar at all. Different necks, frets and feel. They only share the shape and the duncans
JohnnyB Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 The washy also has the huge bathtub route. Nothing custom about that to me. Good for serving nuts.Oh, the calumny of the ignominious bathtub rout! What are G&L and Don Grosh to do?
kizanski Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 The washy also has the huge bathtub route. Nothing custom about that to me. Good for serving nuts.Oh, the calumny of the ignominious bathtub rout! What are G&L and Don Grosh to do?G&L and Grosh following Fender's lead in the laziness/fastest-way-to-make-more-money department does in no way add value to the process.It's a cheap, universal method of building guitars, but you would never employ this process if there weren't a pickguard covering all of it.
LucSulla Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 Oh, the calumny of the ignominious bathtub rout! You and Hamlet...
JohnnyB Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 The washy also has the huge bathtub route. Nothing custom about that to me. Good for serving nuts.Oh, the calumny of the ignominious bathtub rout! What are G&L and Don Grosh to do?G&L and Grosh following Fender's lead in the laziness/fastest-way-to-make-more-money department does in no way add value to the process.It's a cheap, universal method of building guitars, but you would never employ this process if there weren't a pickguard covering all of it.Bathtubs cost less and--at least to some including Grosh (and me)--sound better. Win-win. Ask anyone with a G&L Legacy or Fullerton if they have a problem with the tone.
kizanski Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 The washy also has the huge bathtub route. Nothing custom about that to me. Good for serving nuts.Oh, the calumny of the ignominious bathtub rout! What are G&L and Don Grosh to do?G&L and Grosh following Fender's lead in the laziness/fastest-way-to-make-more-money department does in no way add value to the process.It's a cheap, universal method of building guitars, but you would never employ this process if there weren't a pickguard covering all of it.Bathtubs cost less and--at least to some including Grosh (and me)--sound better. Win-win. Ask anyone with a G&L Legacy or Fullerton if they have a problem with the tone.I never said it effected the tone. It's just a cheap ass way to build a guitar. You think because G&L does it that adds validity to it? Please.It's a cost-cutting, time-saving process which is the sign of a lazy builder and a company trying to charge you more for less quality/workmanship.If they passed the savings on to the customer, that would be one thing, but that's certainly not happening.You G&L geeks would pay twice the price for half the guitar, bend over and ask for less.
Biz Prof Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 Not sure if G&L did bathtub routs pre-BBE; I'll venture a guess that they did not. I cannot imagine that it impacts tone very much, but it does fairly scream "efficiency" rather than "quality".I wonder what EBMM does? That firm is the most Hameresque of the major bolt-on brands, IMHO.
T-51Fred Posted May 25, 2015 Author Posted May 25, 2015 Add to the bathtub the control cavity and the trem cavity and you've pretty much got a semi-hollowbody strat. Hard to say how it impacts tone without the science. I actually read an article recently that proved that bolt on guitars actually sustain better than neck through. who knew? I'm throwing in with the cheap-ass assessment for now.
Ting Ho Dung Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 Yes - that's about the extent of it. What about the guys who went to Russia?
Caddie Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 Yes - that's about the extent of it. What about the guys who went to Russia?The guys you speak of who were sent to Russia built a guitar factory near where that huge meteor crashed a few years ago. They are using the trees that were smashed to build guitars. Now THAT'S a flame top. Who wants swamp ash when you can get pine struck by a meteor?Cheers!caddieHow do you say holy shit in Russian? at about 5:08 and again at 6:16
Ting Ho Dung Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 Yes - that's about the extent of it. What about the guys who went to Russia?The guys you speak of who were sent to Russia built a guitar factory near where that huge meteor crashed a few years ago. They are using the trees that were smashed to build guitars. Now THAT'S a flame top. Who wants swamp ash when you can get pine struck by a meteor?Cheers!caddieHow do you say holy shit in Russian? at about 5:08 and again at 6:16One of the guys looks just like JackAss and I haven't seen him on here in some time. Maybe they block this site in Russia because of the Boobie Thread?
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