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Eclipse Restoration or Mods??


Jellyfish

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I posted here a week or so ago about a mysterious Eclipse that had cropped up for sale locally for silly (low, sub-MIK) money...  Anyway, I finally met with the seller to check out  the guitar, which turned out to be USA production in fine playing condition with a comfortable (and surprisingly full) neck, unworn frets, electronics in 100% working order, etc. Aside from the absence of the original case, the one and only catch is that the finish is has light discolorations, not from normal wear-and-tear but from some sort of chemical reaction between the paint and the clearcoat over the years.  It definitely not Hameritis (although there is a tiny bit of this at the fingerboard/nut as expected for a 1995 Hamer); its much more subtle than that and looks like chalky finger smudges.  These hazy marks are under the clearcoat and cannot (I believe) be simply buffed-out.

Nonetheless, I was still interested and - in spite of the bargain asking price - I made the seller an almost-insulting offer and, to my amazement, he accepted.

I thought to begin with I could ignore the cosmetic anomalies, but it turns out I just can't (the black color doesn't help!).  And to make matters worse, I've really bonded with this guitar: I love the feel of the neck and body and the wide-awake tone.  So I've decided its worth putting some money and thought into bringing it back to par - which means refinishing.

And this brings me to my dilemma:  Do I do a straight-up restoration and have the guitar repainted black, retain all existing hardware etc (which is in excellent condition), OR treat the refin as an opportunity to create something more unique... perhaps a color that's not associated with this model, route for full humbuckers etc.?

Any thoughts, suggestions, perspective and sanity-checks welcome...

 

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I'm just guessing, especially since I haven't seen a photo of your guitar yet, but I'd bet that it's got a case of 'Pizza Day', which tends to appear under the clear-coat in very much the way you've described.  Even though it's unsightly, I'd recommend just keeping it as is and play the snot out of it!  If you REALLY can't stand the look of it, I'd be happy to take it off of your hands for the traditional HFC offer of Tree Fitty.   B) ;)

BTW, congrats on the super snag!  You could have done a LOT worse.  :)

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"Pizza Day" eh - I should've known there'd be an HFC term for it!

Appreciate the input. Does anyone else feel like chiming in?

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I wouldn't rout for full-size humbuckers, but I might replace the stock humbuckers with something more worthy of the guitar, such as Duncan Antiquities, The Creamery, or Fralin Firebird alnico replacement mini humbuckers. Unless, of course, the somewhat raw-sounding stock pickups suit your style best.

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I'd give it to Stike and make it a sparkling beauty.

 

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2 hours ago, gorch said:

I'd give it to Stike and make it a sparkling beauty.

 

That would mean shipping both ways though... Happily, we have a fabulous alternative here: Pat Wilkins. Pat brought my Overwater bass back to life not long after I relocated to LA from London; the change in humidity (plus the age of the guitar) had caused serious delamination, binding damage and finish cracking... Pat made it all go away.

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The dilemma with a restoration - is it worth taking what was a bargain price guitar and putting a fair amount of money into the refinishing work, only to have it kill the value for no longer being original? I can see both sides and it's a tough choice. Plus, black is a bitch because EVERY tiny bit of anything jumps right in your face.

Have you looked into wraps? It might be a way to cover the hideousness of Pizza Day without great expense.  I've never tried one, but some of them look really cool!

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Or shoot a PM to our very own Josh Gravelin, who just delivered some FABULOUS sounding Firebird pickups.

I highly doubt you will find a better pickup maker.  :)

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If you really can't stand the finish, send it off to Stike.

Whatever you do, DON'T rout it for full-size humbuckers! If you don't care for the existing pickups there are plenty of replacements that will drop right in without modifications.

Just my $0.02

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Actually, I quite like the stock pickups (my first experience with mini-hums).  My logic for considering full-size humbucker routs was that *if* I was going to go that way, now would be the time - in concert with the refin. Appreciate the 2 cents!

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I would play it as is for a while...   I don't think you're under any obligation to keep it black...   but I'm not a bog

fan of upgrades that are more than the cost of the item...   if you do too much you can not only lose

money but you can make your item really hard to sell...   

 

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24 minutes ago, DaveL said:

I would play it as is for a while...   I don't think you're under any obligation to keep it black...   but I'm not a bog

fan of upgrades that are more than the cost of the item...   if you do too much you can not only lose

money but you can make your item really hard to sell...   

 

Well put and very sensible advice.

A (good quality) refin alone will cost more than the guitar and I'm resigned to that.  I also have no doubt that if/when I come to sell, I will take a hit.  But at the same time, I like the idea of bringing this "underdog" back to life and will enjoy the process... perhaps I'm just a sucker for a project!

All that said - any ideas/suggestions on color (if I deviate from black)??

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I went the refin route:

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Couldn't be happier with the decision.  There are plenty of black, green, trans red and trans orange Eclipses out there.  Not so many zebras.

How about purple sparkle? or seafoam?

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2 hours ago, Jellyfish said:

All that said - any ideas/suggestions on color (if I deviate from black)??

Something similar to the candy green common to that model. Perhaps a "yellowed-to-green" Pelham Blue?

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Jeanlouis. Stop having somme difficulté questions and sell it to me for thaïs low offerB) 

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21 hours ago, BadgerDave said:

I went the refin route:

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Well, that's a horse of a different color :lol:, and a good point: If you're going to refin a mid-pack Hamer, swing for the bleachers!

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