So what do you think about this post?

[Lockbody]

1983 Left Handed Hamer Sunburst-CLEAN!, w/ Sustain Block ..check out the pics!

I didn't want to junk up the original post with this question, but Rockola asks Ted about restricting For Sales to supporters only, and I'm just wondering if this is something that should be done.

I don't think anyone here wants spam about "Great Prices On New Echotones!!!", but I do think if someone is selling a fairly uncommon guitar such as that pristeen, lefty Sunburst, that they should be able to post it here first.

[thecajunboy]

I don't think anyone here wants spam about "Great Prices On New Echotones!!!", but I do think if someone is selling a fairly uncommon guitar such as that pristeen, lefty Sunburst, that they should be able to post it here first.

That's exactly how I feel. But it's Ted's game and he gets to make the rules and deal with it like he sees fit.

And by the way, Thanks Ted, I like this place.

[Guest Mike Lee]

The lefty Sunburst was posted here for $1000 a few days ago. The guy took forever to post pictures, then claimed he sold it to a dealer.

Then it shows up on Ebay, but the auction gets pulled. Now it's up again, probably with a higher reserve.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

[Lockbody]

Pretty lame if you ask me.

Forget the particulars of that post. I guess I'm more interested in whether you should have to "pay up" to post a for sale ad.

(and yes, very transparent how that one played out, Mike)

[Lockbody]

But it's Ted's game and he gets to make the rules and deal with it like he sees fit.

Agreed. But the community does have some influence. Prime examples are "The Outer Circle" and then the "For Sale or Trade" areas.

[El Kabong]

Well, some boards, such as Jackson/ Charvel require you to post 100 times before you are allowed to even see the classified ads.

[Caddie]

I think I like things here juuuuuust the way they are. This little community seems to do a fair and fine job of policing itself and making adjustments as required. "Suspect posts & posters" seem to be dealt with in a fair & quick manner.

No need for any rules changes. IMHO

Noonan

[bbobb24]

To me a strickly for sale forum should be for supporters only, why should people who don't support get the benefits

[kizanski]

To me a strickly for sale forum should be for supporters only, why should people who don't support get the benefits

Exactly - and the situation of this particular guitar is a perfect example.

Like Mike Lee said, the guitar was just for sale here. The seller dragged his feet, even though there was much interest in what he was selling. Now a newb shows up with a post in the For Sale section with a link to his ebaY ad.

I ask you: Is there a Hamer on ebaY worth having that all of us don't already know about?

It's one thing if someone sees a guitar on ebaY and wants to give a heads up to all of us (even though I'd debate the usefulness of that as well), or if one wants to start a discussion or has a question about a guitar on ebaY and posts about it here, but in this case my gut tells me that once this guitar sells, we'll never see him again (until he stumbles on another Hamer).

I am familiar with this seller after years of ebaY browsing for beat up Strats and Teles, and to be fair, I have no prior experience or dealings with him (or her), but I have seen very few Hamers auctioned by that ebaY handle. I'm sure this is just a case of an honest guy just trying to sell directly to the target market so, I'm not bashing him.

What he couldn't know was what a tightly knit group we are and how protective we all are of this forum. Flame wars and squabbles aside, I think that in the end, we always band together on what counts.

That's my rather long-winded way of agreeing with bbobb24.

[tafkathundernotes]

I'm not sure if a simple heads up is a bad thing. I've bought a bottomfeeder Hamer on just such a post. I check this place more often than ebay.

If it were pointing to an item I had for sale, that would be a different matter...

Just my .02

[paults]

To me a strickly for sale forum should be for supporters only, why should people who don't support get the benefits

The "benefit" from an ad posted here is usually to the Buyer, not the seller.

If you want to have to always pay eBay prices for your Hamers, then prevent a someone who happens to have a Hamer for sale from posting an ad here. Forget about $350....

[serial]

Good point Paults.

[Rockola]

I have posted this before and won't bring it up again.

>>hikarateboy

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>>Yep, it's now there and only supporter are allowed to start a posting but anyone can reply.

Follow the history of this lefty and I'd say it failed to benefit anyone here. The hit-and-run FS post was weak cheese from someone who probably won't contribute to the community or the server. I'll shut up now.

Bah,

Steve

[MrGuitarguy]

Good point Paults.

I second that

[Lockbody]

Follow the history of this lefty and I'd say it failed to benefit anyone here. The hit-and-run FS post was weak cheese from someone who probably won't contribute to the community or the server.  I'll shut up now.

Bah,

Steve

Your view is valid, but by your logic, if Standard 001 came up for sale, someone one the HFC shouldn't get first crack at it because RN has never contributed to this board (that I know of).

Once again, the particulars of that one FS post don't matter here. Just whether you have to pay to play.

*editted fer spleling*

[HamerHokie]

Follow the history of this lefty and I'd say it failed to benefit anyone here. The hit-and-run FS post was weak cheese from someone who probably won't contribute to the community or the server.  I'll shut up now.

Bah,

Steve

Your view is valid, but by your logic, if Standard 001 came up for sale, someone one the HFC sholdn't get first crack at it because RN has never contributed to this board (that I know of).

Once again, the particulars of that one FS post don't matter here. Just whether you have to pay to play.

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand the logic behind the 'don't let him post' quotes. Unless you think that the purpose of the FS board is to benefit sellers rather than buyers.

I mean, where's DavidE gonna get more $350 Hamers unless we let some outsiders contribute??

[Relicaster]

edited to latter post.

[hikarateboy]

Hi folks, I've been following this discussion and appreciate all the comments. I could never be as objective about this as the collective members of the hfc.

It's true that I had made the FS/T board supporter only in the begining to avoid the hit and runs and to offer a special benefit to those that were willing to support the site (which is completely appreciated). but a few people wrote to me with many of the exact same comments about it and honestly I changed my mind for almost exactly the reason given by Paults.

Supporters still get the exclusive benefit of the outer circle (Benifit? HA! actually I love reading the stuff there) Those poor non supporting members, They don't know how awesome that place is.

As we move forward we are trying to add things that will offer value to the hfc members and supporters, some of which maybe open only to supporters. Feel free to always post like this if you feel either way about it.

Web enabling serial steves list has been a LABOR of love but worth it for all I am learning from it but its also something I would not limit to only supporters for obvious reason as that would just be stupid and suck but there are others in the works and suggestions are always welcome.

For instance with the help of one of our members we are looking to change security on the memberpages (to upload your own stuff to your space on the server) so that it uses your messageboard user id and pass, maybe thats something that should be exclusive to supporters?

I rely on you guys for guidance very often so keep it coming. It's true that ulitmately I do what greg tells me but I can at least act like I am listening to other people...err...ahh...

I was serious up till that last point. Right now I do agree with Paults and others that the benefits of letting all members post FS/T ulitmately (pun intended) could result in good things for our members but as always please contact a moderator if you feel a post is crap and should be pulled. We'll look at it, always do.

[hikarateboy]

I have posted this before and won't bring it up again.

>>hikarateboy 

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>>Yep, it's now there and only supporter are allowed to start a posting but anyone can reply.

Follow the history of this lefty and I'd say it failed to benefit anyone here. The hit-and-run FS post was weak cheese from someone who probably won't contribute to the community or the server.  I'll shut up now.

Bah,

Steve

Was this about my number of posts btw? DUDE!

[thecajunboy]

I saw earlier someone wrote

"Well, since it's up for auction, then it's technically not "For Sale" then is it?"

Well, it's certainly for sale?! an auction is a sale to me.

And you certainly aren't "Paying it Forward"

Honestly, I'm not even sure what that means- "paying it forward". Cut me some slack I'm originally from the midwest.

I disagree. It's not simply for sale. If it were, I could simply agree to buy it, send you the money, then you'd send the guitar. It's up for auction. If I want it, I have to go elsewhere, bid on it, win, then send you the money. It's not for sale to me unless I win the auction.

Paying it Forward is when someone here just offers something up for grabs for free. Whoever grabs it should reciprocate and offer something else up for free, but that doesn't happen all that often.

[kurtsstuff]

Just my $0.02 worth but..I'm in agreeance with the "supporter only" to be allowed to post and sell gear..It would be like the "music store dood" that took the job only to buy up what gear he needed at whatever discount the store provided to employee's (usually cost + 10% + freight) and then split for the open road in his newly formed "screamo band"

[polara]

Hmm. AM I a supporter yet? Am I allowed to post for sale if that happens? I ask 'cos I was over 600 posts on the old board and then I was zero'd out again!

Nope. So How the heck much would I have to post again to get back up so where I could sell? I guess I'd be a little miffed as I've been on the board for several years yet am still wet behind the ears in number of posts.

[Turdus]

Hmm. AM I a supporter yet? Am I allowed to post for sale if that happens? I ask 'cos I was over 600 posts on the old board and then I was zero'd out again!

Not only was I zeroed out, but I lost my supporter tag, and access to the outer circle. Yep, old board ID did not work on the new board, and I did not feel it was important enuff to bother Ted over.

I'll have to wait for the '05 or '06 supporter campaign, and until that time, sell all my guitars on Ebay where more money can be made.

[hikarateboy]

I lost my supporter tag, and access to the outer circle. Yep, old board ID did not work on the new board, and I did not feel it was important enuff to bother Ted over.

I'll have to wait for the '05 or '06 supporter campaign, and until that time, sell all my guitars on Ebay where more money can be made.

What you talkin bout willis?

If something like that happened to any member I have no problem with them contacting me to fix it. I encourage it. It's not like it took more than 30 seconds to fix.

In your case since you switched names the supporter tag didnt transfer but its only fair to have what you used to. I really do try to be fair in most every thing surrounding the HFC regardless of what any one may think. Feel encouraged to hold me to it if you feel I'm out of step anywhere.

Re: supporter 05/06 While doing taxes this year my wife was looking a bit sideways at me while adding up the internet/server costs. Don't worry we'll get to it but I want to have things that provide added value to the site like the fully working serial list and memberpages rework done before I do.

[Turdus]

Ted -- many thanks. I tried the old ID a few times on the new board, and it would not work. Kinda wishing to leave that name in the past, LOL... I decided not to pursue it. I grabbed this ID, as it was what I was listening to at the time. I may switch again in the future, and if so, I'll send you an email.

Thanks for your efforts.