velorush Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Monaco Superpro CO (Ebony Board) Absolutely beautiful, but also absolutely no objective information on the guitar. What does it weigh? What are the neck dimensions? [/minirant] But here's the "Startling Revelation" I noted in the title. Check this out: Estimated Used Value between $800 and $1,325? I realize that's completely absurd, but how does this affect potential buyers when they see this juxtaposed the asking price of $3,199 (which I think is pretty reasonable)? I haven't noticed this before, but are all Hamers listed given Estimated Values based on 2010 used market prices? 1 1 Quote
DarkHammer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 16 minutes ago, velorush said: But here's the "Startling Revelation" I noted in the title. Check this out: Estimated Used Value between $800 and $1,325? I realize that's completely absurd, but how does this affect potential buyers when they see this juxtaposed the asking price of $3,199 (which I think is pretty reasonable)? I haven't noticed this before, but are all Hamers listed given Estimated Values based on 2010 used market prices? I also noticed that Reverb has silly low estimates for Hamers. IMHO this is because in their price history they don't distinguish between Asian and USA models. Edited January 15 by DarkHammer 6 2 Quote
velorush Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 Makes perfect sense on the result (and of course, absurd sense on the methodology). 1 Quote
kizanski Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Has anyone here ever bought or sold a used SuperPro for $1300? That's a ridiculous price. 3 Quote
DarkHammer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, kizanski said: Has anyone here ever bought or sold a used SuperPro for $1300? That's a ridiculous price. Made in Asia Hamer Monacos are currently listed for around $500, sale prices are even lower, if you average with US made ones you will get $1300. 2 Quote
kizanski Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 minute ago, DarkHammer said: Made in Asia Hamer Monacos are currently listed for around $500... There are no Asian SuperPros. 4 1 Quote
DarkHammer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 18 minutes ago, kizanski said: There are no Asian SuperPros. I don't think Reverb classification is that detailed, it stops at Monaco. 3 Quote
kizanski Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, DarkHammer said: I don't think Reverb classification is that detailed, it stops at Monaco. That's why it's fucking nonsense. Monaco, Monaco Elite, Monaco SuperPro and Monaco III are all different models. Especially the Elite which is a different shape and fret scale. 5 Quote
Hbom Posted January 15 Posted January 15 When Reverb became Etsyverb it became a window shopping only site for me. OTOH That would seem like a fair price for the Monaco Superpro. It's a pretty guitar and I'd guess, somewhat better than a 3.5K gibby. 1 Quote
DarkHammer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Hbom said: OTOH That would seem like a fair price for the Monaco Superpro. There are 3 current active listings for Monaco Super Pro for under $3K on Reverb, cheaper than this one by $250-300. Quote
Hbom Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DarkHammer said: There are 3 current active listings for Monaco Super Pro for under $3K on Reverb, cheaper than this one by $250-300. I know. Does not change my opinion of the value of the guitar we are discussing. edit: I should probably note that I don't consider Value and Sold Price the same things. Edited January 15 by Hbom Quote
The Shark Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 hours ago, DarkHammer said: I also noticed that Reverb has silly low estimates for Hamers. IMHO this is because in their price history they don't distinguish between Asian and USA models. Bingo! 1 Quote
Hbom Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, DarkHammer said: There are 3 current active listings for Monaco Super Pro for under $3K on Reverb, cheaper than this one by $250-300. There's also a very nice Monaco Super Pro for $250 more. 1 Quote
Whoismarykelly Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 hours ago, velorush said: Absolutely beautiful, but also absolutely no objective information on the guitar. What does it weigh? What are the neck dimensions? Just FYI This is because Atomic lists items for the benefit of local buyers. They don't want to sell this on Reverb. They want someone to come in and try it and evaluate it in the store. 3 Quote
hamerican gigolo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 8 hours ago, kizanski said: Has anyone here ever bought or sold a used SuperPro for $1300? That's a ridiculous price. I bought my SP used for a C note more than the price in ? . Of course, that was almost 2 decades ago... 😀 1 Quote
kizanski Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Same here. I paid a grand for mine, but that was c.2005 and it was a steal at the time. 2 Quote
cmatthes Posted January 16 Posted January 16 If not for that first fret crown, I’d be swinging by Atomic tomorrow to check that out! 😂 1 2 Quote
joshoowah Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, cmatthes said: If not for that first fret crown, I’d be swinging by Atomic tomorrow to check that out! 😂 Was just thinking, the CO ebony board would turn alot of folks here on, for sure, but that 1st fret victory might turn more off! 1 Quote
Mike Brooks Posted January 16 Posted January 16 I traded quite a bit of gear to Atomic recently. And they were fair. I supposedly call it “downsizing”. They have a white 80s Chaparral I traded and they’re asking $500 more than I paid for it. However, they will deal with you. 2 Quote
cmatthes Posted January 17 Posted January 17 12 hours ago, joshoowah said: Was just thinking, the CO ebony board would turn alot of folks here on, for sure, but that 1st fret victory might turn more off! Personally, the ebony board is my preference…just with one less inlay! 3 Quote
cmatthes Posted January 17 Posted January 17 8 hours ago, Mike Brooks said: I traded quite a bit of gear to Atomic recently. And they were fair. I supposedly call it “downsizing”. They have a white 80s Chaparral I traded and they’re asking $500 more than I paid for it. However, they will deal with you. This is very true. Those guys are the best. I’ve done some great trades there over the years (bought plenty of things outright too), but they’re very fair and it’s amazing how many guitars they move through there! 2 Quote
HamerCustomEr Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, cmatthes said: Personally, the ebony board is my preference…just with one less inlay! Love the ebony! 4 Quote
Disturber Posted January 20 Posted January 20 On 1/17/2026 at 7:35 AM, cmatthes said: Personally, the ebony board is my preference…just with one less inlay! I never found that inlay to be a thing. I just hardly don't even register that it's there. Quote
django49 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) I have had three. Once upon a time, you could find one for around half that asking price, maybe even a bit less. That was then..... FWIW, the one I got here and kept is probably my favorite Hamer ever, out of several dozen, most of them long gone. I thought I was overpaying all those many years ago ($2500, inc an OD pedal). I was wrong. Of course it WAS a custom order, with korina, 2 bound f holes and upgraded (Lollar) pickups. Crowns rather than the split inlays. Def NOT for sale! ETA Picture Edited January 21 by django49 14 Quote
stobro Posted January 20 Posted January 20 I bought this spruce top, trans-orange sparkle finish, ebony board SuperPro from Bubs (Buy from Bubs!) back in '09. $1300. From this angle, the first fret victory inlay is barely noticeable. 11 2 Quote
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